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Post by BrickSev on Apr 26, 2017 11:07:41 GMT
One of the things that bugs me it's the Cold Hazard mechanics because being unable to withstand a temperature of -41°C (like on Voeld) is illogical given the technological level of Mass Effect Armors. Even in our age we have equipment that can withstand the near to absolute zero temperature but with all the high tech in ME:A they can't even walk undisturbed across an Antarctica-like place. I can't find the source in the Codex right now (if you know it please tell me) but I do remember in the OT the Armors were somewhat designed to keep the user safe even in the vacuum of space. Just look at the beginning of Mass Effect 2: what caused Shepard some "problem" was the armor suffered damage and the atmospheric reentry but the low temperatures of the vacuum of space was not one of them. Anyway I'm not attacking lol the game, I do enjoy and I'll keep playing it for long. I just wanted to share my thoughts with you. What do you think about the Cold Hazards? See you in Andromeda  |
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Post by KaiserShep on Apr 26, 2017 11:24:23 GMT
I think that it should have just been like ME1 and have it be a rank with no specific number, and have the Nomad be immune to such hazards. Like, on Noveria, there is a cold hazard that wears you down, but you can just keep hopping in and out of the Mako. Additionally, life support should replenish inside the rover, not just when you get to a forward station.
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Post by NRieh on Apr 26, 2017 11:30:20 GMT
I've already mentioned it in the other thread. -40 is an average winter for the northern regions (like Yakutsk). That's the way they live (work, study, attend schools). With no Mass Effect generators (sometimes - without even the most basic tech and commodities).
ME1 did not specify the temperature range, and it worked just fine. The all-terrain space-explorational vehicles\armour suits that consider -50C a 'deadly critical hazard' is a total BS.
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Post by zipzap2000 on Apr 26, 2017 11:34:55 GMT
I think that it should have just been like ME1 and have it be a rank with no specific number, and have the Nomad be immune to such hazards. Like, on Noveria, there is a cold hazard that wears you down, but you can just keep hopping in and out of the Mako. Additionally, life support should replenish inside the rover, not just when you get to a forward station. It does replenish in the Nomad it just takes a really long time. |
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Post by dreman999 on Apr 26, 2017 11:41:04 GMT
Have you not played me1 or any of it's side quest? or done any of the hammer head missions? Because really you don't seem to know that this in not new.
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Post by wolfsite on Apr 26, 2017 11:49:03 GMT
Have you not played me1 or any of it's side quest? or done any of the hammer head missions? Because really you don't seem to know that this in not new. Shhhh, don't poke holes into troll logic, these people need to complain about something it is there reason for existing. |
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Post by ProbeAway on Apr 26, 2017 11:53:23 GMT
Have you not played me1 or any of it's side quest? or done any of the hammer head missions? Because really you don't seem to know that this in not new. Shhhh, don't poke holes into troll logic, these people need to complain about something it is there reason for existing. Thats unfair. The OP is perfectly reasonable for questioning why -40C is some sort of deadly hazard. It makes no sense. I'm happy enough to ignore it for gameplay purposes but that doesn't make the point invalid. |
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Post by dreman999 on Apr 26, 2017 11:54:02 GMT
I've already mentioned it in the other thread. -40 is an average winter for the northern regions (like Yakutsk). That's the way they live (work, study, attend schools). With no Mass Effect generators (sometimes - without even the most basic tech and commodities). ME1 did not specify the temperature range, and it worked just fine. The all-terrain space-explorational vehicles\armour suits that consider -50C a 'deadly critical hazard' is a total BS. Did you not do any of the side mission in ME1? here's one of the cold planet you go on. masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Antibaar the temp in -34c , non of the other cold planets go past that outside 2.Every time you go to a planet with the Normandy the dossier states detail of the planet from history, gravity, and even temperature. The mako never was put in -50c and the suits of shepard that was not fitted any anti intense weather tech would freeze up Shep. |
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Post by dreman999 on Apr 26, 2017 11:55:15 GMT
Shhhh, don't poke holes into troll logic, these people need to complain about something it is there reason for existing. Thats unfair. The OP is perfectly reasonable for questioning why -40C is some sort of deadly hazard. It makes no sense. I'm happy enough to ignore it for gameplay purposes but that doesn't make the point invalid. You clearly have played ME1 as well and done the side missions? Like the geth incursion quest? |
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Post by zipzap2000 on Apr 26, 2017 11:58:11 GMT
Thats unfair. The OP is perfectly reasonable for questioning why -40C is some sort of deadly hazard. It makes no sense. I'm happy enough to ignore it for gameplay purposes but that doesn't make the point invalid. You clearly have played ME1 as well and done the side missions? Like the geth incursion quest? That planet sucked. |
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Post by wolfsite on Apr 26, 2017 11:58:31 GMT
Shhhh, don't poke holes into troll logic, these people need to complain about something it is there reason for existing. Thats unfair. The OP is perfectly reasonable for questioning why -40C is some sort of deadly hazard. It makes no sense. I'm happy enough to ignore it for gameplay purposes but that doesn't make the point invalid. Well the comment was made as a joke (I know joking on the is sacrilege) But the thing in the end is "Yea, it is a video game". It isn't supposed to conform to the laws of reality, it it supposed to offer an escape from that and things like this are added to give a challenge to overcome (which you do by activating the vaults). What is the point of playing a game if all you are going to do is criticize and whine about gameplay elements that are there for the sake of gameplay or challenge? Plus if you do want to bring in reality we must also remember that people that live in one climate may have difficulty when entering a different climate, I live in Canada and have met many people from places like Florida and Cuba, etc that were dressed in full parkas and were legitimately freezing in a day that I would consider short sleeve weather. |
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Post by ProbeAway on Apr 26, 2017 11:58:37 GMT
Thats unfair. The OP is perfectly reasonable for questioning why -40C is some sort of deadly hazard. It makes no sense. I'm happy enough to ignore it for gameplay purposes but that doesn't make the point invalid. You clearly have played ME1 as well and done the side missions? Like the geth incursion quest? Yep. I don't recall what the exact temperatures were in those regions but even if they were comparable, it doesn't mean that continually making the same mistake is ok. For context, I am a long-time ME fan who is thoroughly enjoying MEA. |
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Post by dreman999 on Apr 26, 2017 12:05:16 GMT
You clearly have played ME1 as well and done the side missions? Like the geth incursion quest? Yep. I don't recall what the exact temperatures were in those regions but even if they were comparable, it doesn't mean that continually making the same mistake is ok. For context, I am a long-time ME fan who is thoroughly enjoying MEA. Dude, every one on that team were hard science nerds. ME1 was me at the time where they didn't do outrageous things in the plot just for cool. |
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Post by dreman999 on Apr 26, 2017 12:06:38 GMT
You clearly have played ME1 as well and done the side missions? Like the geth incursion quest? That planet sucked. oh god that planet sucked....and the primes on insanity were hard as diamonds. |
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Post by dreman999 on Apr 26, 2017 12:08:03 GMT
Added to that to compare Novira was -1 c and was colder because to the blizzard going on during the mission.
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Post by ProbeAway on Apr 26, 2017 12:08:34 GMT
Thats unfair. The OP is perfectly reasonable for questioning why -40C is some sort of deadly hazard. It makes no sense. I'm happy enough to ignore it for gameplay purposes but that doesn't make the point invalid. Well the comment was made as a joke (I know joking on the is sacrilege) But the thing in the end is "Yea, it is a video game". It isn't supposed to conform to the laws of reality, it it supposed to offer an escape from that and things like this are added to give a challenge to overcome (which you do by activating the vaults). What is the point of playing a game if all you are going to do is criticize and whine about gameplay elements that are there for the sake of gameplay or challenge? Plus if you do want to bring in reality we must also remember that people that live in one climate may have difficulty when entering a different climate, I live in Canada and have met many people from places like Florida and Cuba, etc that were dressed in full parkas and were legitimately freezing in a day that I would consider short sleeve weather. Maybe edit your original post then, because calling OP a troll and suggesting that complaining is their reason for existing was a harsh response to a perfectly valid query, joke or otherwise. The OP and I have both said we enjoy the game. I'm not someone who looks for faults and I have defended the game against people who do nothing but whine over little things. I'm happy to accept things for the sake of gameplay, as I said above. I suspended disbelief for the Lazarus project and the human reaper in ME2, which is my favourite game ever. That doesn't mean we should completely ignore something which makes no sense. Raising it for discussion in a constructive way is fine. Remember that Shepard spacewalked in ME3 while wearing armour that is presumably technologically comparable to Ryder's? The armour in MEA should be able to handle -40 like a balmy summer's day. |
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Post by ProbeAway on Apr 26, 2017 12:09:32 GMT
Yep. I don't recall what the exact temperatures were in those regions but even if they were comparable, it doesn't mean that continually making the same mistake is ok. For context, I am a long-time ME fan who is thoroughly enjoying MEA. Dude, every one on that team were hard science nerds. ME1 was me at the time where they didn't do outrageous things in the plot just for cool. I know... I'm a bit lost as to your point tho? |
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Post by R1Outcast on Apr 26, 2017 12:17:06 GMT
I use CheatEngine to get rid of environmental hazards. I don't consider it cheating because it actually makes more sense to me. We have the technology of the year 2185 and are able to traverse entire galaxies, but we haven't figured out how to deal with cold whether? That makes no sense.
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Post by cypherj on Apr 26, 2017 12:21:39 GMT
The ridiculous part is losing life support while in the Nomad. The only reason was to keep you from seeing parts of the planets right away. So they threw in the lvl 3 hazard areas until you raised the viability. It had to be a better way than this. Just made no sense whatsoever.
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Post by dreman999 on Apr 26, 2017 12:25:53 GMT
Dude, every one on that team were hard science nerds. ME1 was me at the time where they didn't do outrageous things in the plot just for cool. I know... I'm a bit lost as to your point tho? It's not a mistake and they been doing from me1. |
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Post by dreman999 on Apr 26, 2017 12:26:49 GMT
The ridiculous part is losing life support while in the Nomad. The only reason was to keep you from seeing parts of the planets right away. So they threw in the lvl 3 hazard areas until you raised the viability. It had to be a better way than this. Just made no sense whatsoever. That I can agree on. |
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Post by osito on Apr 26, 2017 12:29:27 GMT
I agree, but the hot planet stuff is even worse. If I recall correctly, the Nomad can't operate for long at temperatures in the range 45-50 degrees centigrade. These are temperatures that even my car can operate at, and the difference between that and a 'room temperature' of 20-25 degrees centigrade is pretty small.
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Post by ProbeAway on Apr 26, 2017 12:36:03 GMT
I know... I'm a bit lost as to your point tho? It's not a mistake and they been doing from me1. Ok, I just don't think it makes sense, and I don't think that doing it repeatedly across different games somehow makes it logical. That's all. I'm not saying it's gamebreaking or anything. |
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Post by ayenari on Apr 26, 2017 12:49:14 GMT
Have you not played me1 or any of it's side quest? or done any of the hammer head missions? Because really you don't seem to know that this in not new. Shhhh, don't poke holes into troll logic, these people need to complain about something it is there reason for existing. At these temperatures in the game, it's not the temperature itself that is all that dangerous, but the ensuing frostbite from directly exposed skin to air contact that is. If you avoid that -40c is not nearly as dangerous as bioware makes it out to be, even with the 21th century clothing we have now. And they're in the future with shielded armour suits and what not. The concept of dangerous cold isn't bad, the numbers are just off and should be more extreme than they are. |
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Post by Space Cowboy on Apr 26, 2017 12:51:12 GMT
Thats unfair. The OP is perfectly reasonable for questioning why -40C is some sort of deadly hazard. It makes no sense. I'm happy enough to ignore it for gameplay purposes but that doesn't make the point invalid. You clearly have played ME1 as well and done the side missions? Like the geth incursion quest? If they had the same thing in ME1 that doesn't make it any less silly. Just saying. |
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