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Post by dreman999 on Apr 26, 2017 17:04:50 GMT
Wait, you guys are talking about Celsius scale right? Because in this scale "0" is exactly when water starts freezing. It doesn't freeze at 4c I said start to freeze, not freeze.
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Post by dreman999 on Apr 26, 2017 17:05:37 GMT
I don't know what to say to this. because it's clear the pun just went over your head. Can someone else tell this person what people are mostly made up of?...other then crap? Kinda like my point. FYI, I did get the pun. I just wasn't impressed by it. does not mean their point is invalid.
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Post by R'Shara on Apr 26, 2017 17:12:22 GMT
You still missed my point. And I'd really like some peer reviewed research on the subject if you insist that it's true.
I'd like to get back to the subject of -40 degree temps and whether or not that's actually hazardous if you're properly equipped. Properly equipped being with a good coat and maybe some thermals under the armor.
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on Apr 26, 2017 17:14:35 GMT
I think that it should have just been like ME1 and have it be a rank with no specific number, and have the Nomad be immune to such hazards. Like, on Noveria, there is a cold hazard that wears you down, but you can just keep hopping in and out of the Mako. Additionally, life support should replenish inside the rover, not just when you get to a forward station. Bingo.
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on Apr 26, 2017 17:15:51 GMT
If they had the same thing in ME1 that doesn't make it any less silly. Just saying. Yeah, but then people would be whining about the "retcons" because it doesn't match up to the prior games broken logic. EXACTLY. Don't F*** with the lore and canon. You can improve tech, but you better explain it. POLISHING!
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on Apr 26, 2017 17:19:05 GMT
That requires extra power in suits. Power drains over time. that would just mean lasting longer in the elements not canceling them out. ....Or just put on a good coat. And there's no way those temp ranges would damage a vehicle. Ever drive up the Alaskan coastal highway in November? I must have passed several rigs where their driveshaft (yes, the driveshaft) was disconnected because the bolts had sheared off. Extreme cold will ground any vehicle and forget about rubber tires. They'll peel right off if they're not new and not put in a warmer environment.
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Post by R'Shara on Apr 26, 2017 17:21:16 GMT
....Or just put on a good coat. And there's no way those temp ranges would damage a vehicle. Ever drive up the Alaskan coastal highway in November? I must have passed several rigs where their driveshaft (yes, the driveshaft) was disconnected because the bolts had sheared off. Extreme cold will ground any vehicle and forget about rubber tires. They'll peel right off if they're not new and not put in a warmer environment. By rigs do you mean semi trucks? I don't know if a humvee or something like that would be damaged. I know people in Finland have no vehicle troubles from temperature. Also, the Nomad gets damaged even if you're just sitting 20 meters from a forward station
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Post by ShadowAngel on Apr 26, 2017 17:26:41 GMT
I'm no genius when it comes to extreme cold and heat, but seeing the temperature Ryder goes through while having much superior technology compared to ours today, as well as Ryder being the pathfinder (you'd expect an explorer of a pathfinders caliber to have the best gear possible), you'd expect it to not be an issue at the temperatures the game shows. There are people that live their life in areas that are as cold as voeld was in the game. I've no idea how cold things can get, but I think a few thousand degrees colder (if that's even a thing) would've played this out better if you're wanting equipment to be effected by weather conditions as currently Andromeda uses temperatures that even we can live off of.
Edit: Coldest temp in space recorded to date is -292 Celsius by the way.
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Post by aglomeracja on Apr 26, 2017 17:27:49 GMT
Wait, you guys are talking about Celsius scale right? Because in this scale "0" is exactly when water starts freezing. It doesn't freeze at 4c I said start to freeze, not freeze. It starts freezing at 0c. Seriously, that's basic knowledge...
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Post by R'Shara on Apr 26, 2017 17:45:11 GMT
I'm no genius when it comes to extreme cold and heat, but seeing the temperature Ryder goes through while having much superior technology compared to ours today, as well as Ryder being the pathfinder (you'd expect an explorer of a pathfinders caliber to have the best gear possible), you'd expect it to not be an issue at the temperatures the game shows. There are people that live their life in areas that are as cold as voeld was in the game. I've no idea how cold things can get, but I think a few thousand degrees colder (if that's even a thing) would've played this out better if you're wanting equipment to be effected by weather conditions as currently Andromeda uses temperatures that even we can live off of. Edit: Coldest temp in space recorded to date is -292 Celsius by the way. Yup, I brought that up in my Environmental Hazards thread. But for a planet with atmosphere, -80 C would have been a lot more realistic. I mean, you'd think they would at least google "coldest temperature where people live" and add a bit to that. www.google.com/search?q=coldest+temperature+where+people+live&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on Apr 26, 2017 18:00:22 GMT
Ever drive up the Alaskan coastal highway in November? I must have passed several rigs where their driveshaft (yes, the driveshaft) was disconnected because the bolts had sheared off. Extreme cold will ground any vehicle and forget about rubber tires. They'll peel right off if they're not new and not put in a warmer environment. By rigs do you mean semi trucks? I don't know if a humvee or something like that would be damaged. I know people in Finland have no vehicle troubles from temperature. Also, the Nomad gets damaged even if you're just sitting 20 meters from a forward station Finland is prepared. American south of Canada, aren't.
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on Apr 26, 2017 18:01:34 GMT
I'm no genius when it comes to extreme cold and heat, but seeing the temperature Ryder goes through while having much superior technology compared to ours today, as well as Ryder being the pathfinder (you'd expect an explorer of a pathfinders caliber to have the best gear possible), you'd expect it to not be an issue at the temperatures the game shows. There are people that live their life in areas that are as cold as voeld was in the game. I've no idea how cold things can get, but I think a few thousand degrees colder (if that's even a thing) would've played this out better if you're wanting equipment to be effected by weather conditions as currently Andromeda uses temperatures that even we can live off of. Edit: Coldest temp in space recorded to date is -292 Celsius by the way. You're no genius, but you're f***ing smart! That is correct! And maybe you are, and you're just being humble. Either way, you're right. Technology had to improve to tackle this because colonization is the goal.
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Post by R'Shara on Apr 26, 2017 18:03:35 GMT
By rigs do you mean semi trucks? I don't know if a humvee or something like that would be damaged. I know people in Finland have no vehicle troubles from temperature. Also, the Nomad gets damaged even if you're just sitting 20 meters from a forward station Finland is prepared. American south of Canada, aren't. They have the same brands and models of cars as we have. Also, exploration vehicle....
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on Apr 26, 2017 18:04:37 GMT
Ever drive up the Alaskan coastal highway in November? I must have passed several rigs where their driveshaft (yes, the driveshaft) was disconnected because the bolts had sheared off. Extreme cold will ground any vehicle and forget about rubber tires. They'll peel right off if they're not new and not put in a warmer environment. By rigs do you mean semi trucks? I don't know if a humvee or something like that would be damaged. I know people in Finland have no vehicle troubles from temperature. Also, the Nomad gets damaged even if you're just sitting 20 meters from a forward station That part of the NW, it's common to see weird gadgets that come out of the grill or under the hood to help start the car. You can say that we live south, move north for a job and adjust. In the meanwhile, gas is super cheap. .74 cents a gallon when I was through there in 2002.
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Post by dreman999 on Apr 26, 2017 18:10:27 GMT
I said start to freeze, not freeze. It starts freezing at 0c. Seriously, that's basic knowledge... No, it's been proven to start freezing from 4c-0c.
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Post by dreman999 on Apr 26, 2017 18:13:16 GMT
You still missed my point. And I'd really like some peer reviewed research on the subject if you insist that it's true. I'd like to get back to the subject of -40 degree temps and whether or not that's actually hazardous if you're properly equipped. Properly equipped being with a good coat and maybe some thermals under the armor. That's what the life support system is.
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Post by R'Shara on Apr 26, 2017 18:15:41 GMT
Except it sucks because it takes damage. Add a coat, and you'd be fine.
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Post by babe145869 on Apr 26, 2017 18:48:53 GMT
I was thinking the same thing, the cold hazard doesn't make sense. It wouldn't bother me much if it followed the pattern of the rest of the world's you "fix" the hazard on. The radiation goes down, the sulfer in the water appears to stop, the heat drops, but there is no change if you start the vault on Voeld. Makes me wonder what the point is in doing that vault.
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Post by helios969 on Apr 26, 2017 20:02:37 GMT
Like most of the science parts of ME fiction, I think you just kind of have to roll with it. But it's a valid criticism for the Voeld temp with regard to the hazard mechanic...that's quite balmy compared to space. It probably should have been in the -150C or so range and instead of depleting shields/health, it probably would have been better if you took extra damage in firefights since materials embrittle at colder temperatures. Generally, I found the various hazards more of an annoyance than the additional fun challenge such was meant to bring.
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Post by NRieh on Apr 26, 2017 20:09:20 GMT
Sometimes it's good not to read the star maps, lol... I took the kids out at -28C this winter. Not a typical 'walk in a park' weather for the Moscow region, but far from being deadly (with the proper layered clothing + 'winter' cosmetics for the lips\faces). I bet we could have lasted so much longer with the sealed N7-suits and our helmets on 8P Anyway, I can't remember MAKO having any kind of problems down there, and their life-support worked just fine too. Still, does not make their idea of 'extreme and hazardous cold' any better. The mako did not have any issue. It's just shepard if they don't have the right gear. Hell, Shepard was freezing on Novaria which is normally -1c. though on that mission he was on there was a blizzard and it was colder then the norm. Your case I would say is an issue of being climatized to that weather. others people normal weather is another persons cold. I live in florida so i know first had how people react to what i consider colds. Mean while I'm fine in what ever people think is too hot...in humidity. Being climatized to the certain kind of weather is certainly a thing. Hell, even people who share their location may have different preferences about what 'comfortable temperature' is (e.g. my husband always wears a hat, while I can live without one down to -10C (and even then I prefer hoods). However, 'being uncomfortable' does not mean 'being in grave danger'. That's if the person is dressed according to the weather around them. Of course, if you come to my place wearing your favourite 'winter' jacket - you're in trouble. However, the well-trained person (and we assume that the Ryders are, not even speaking about the N7 Shep) should not have much trouble. Unless their equipment is that crappy and worthless. Freezing on Noveria at -1 makes no sense, no matter the snowstorm. I assume a lack of the omnipresent voiced reminder was what had saved it from lore-nerds' attention. Ignorance is bliss, I wish I could 'unread' it back, because now I'll have to think about it each time replaying ME1.
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Post by R'Shara on Apr 26, 2017 20:21:11 GMT
The constant warnings are a big part of the annoyance. But so is watching your life support go down after a couple minutes and watching the temperature damage your exploration vehicle. And not regenerating properly when you're inside the vehicle.
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Post by anddill on Apr 26, 2017 20:24:53 GMT
Is the education really that bad these days? Its called freezing POINT because it is a point on the temp-scale, not a range. And like others said, Mr. Celsius used the exact points for water freezing and boiling at see level as references for his scale. For convenience, because we are mostly water and deal everyday with it. And for the environmental hazard in the game: Its absolutely ridiculous. ME-armors are sealed, space worthy suits with closed live-support, energy shielding, servos to assist movement and in ME:A a fusion powered rocket on the back. The biggest problem would be to get rid of the heat generated by the wearer and the numerous support systems. Look up the specs for real spacesuits. They are limited by the capacity of the thermal storage system where they dump the excess heat. If they are fully exhausted, the wearer would be cooked inside by his own heat. Ok, they have to work without a external medium which will cary at least some heat away. But for freezing in a space suit the external atmosphere must be extremely dense or having the thermal transport capacity of a fluid.
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Post by anddill on Apr 26, 2017 20:35:21 GMT
I'm no genius when it comes to extreme cold and heat, .... Edit: Coldest temp in space recorded to date is -292 Celsius by the way. Oh please, please stop it. Just search for the absolute zero temperature, and you will realize its about 10% higher. There is no -292°C.
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Post by ShadowAngel on Apr 26, 2017 20:46:18 GMT
I'm no genius when it comes to extreme cold and heat, .... Edit: Coldest temp in space recorded to date is -292 Celsius by the way. Oh please, please stop it. Just search for the absolute zero temperature, and you will realize its about 10% higher. There is no -292°C. Was supposed to be 272, not 292. Regardless I'm not really into this argument on the cold, but more so I know the game could've done better using weather conditions to effect the equipment we use in game.
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Post by anddill on Apr 26, 2017 21:06:24 GMT
Ok, a typo then, that I can accept. Lowest temp in space will be around -270°C because of the omnipresent 3K background radiation. To get colder the region must be really special, which is so for the boomerang nebula. It cools below the level of the background radiation with the same trick a refrigerator uses: Expanding gas. Lowest temp in a lab was some nK above absolute zero, which is 0K or -273,15°C
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