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Post by dreman999 on Apr 26, 2017 16:31:37 GMT
And that's call being climatized. He's use to it . Still -34c is still cold. Added 4c is the temp water starts to freeze. So objectively yes it is cold. Yes, it is cold. No one is arguing that. But is it hazardous, if you're properly equipped? No. There are coats that will insulate you really well, down to -40 or -60. That's with current technology. They're not even particularly bulky. The point is, there are lots of options to negate the hazard, quite easily, even right now. And the tech for Andromeda is 150 years in our future. I wouldn't be surprised if we had a pill, by then, that would instantly acclimate us to the colder temperature. And those temperatures damaging the exploration vehicle is just ridiculous. The heat level damage is even worse. I mean, I'm a hothouse plant. I hate temperature extremes. Anything under 60 degrees feels cold to me. I just bought a hoodie from Target in the fall. It's amazing. I can now walk around in around 35 or 40 degrees and not even feel the slightest bit chilly. When it dropped below freezing this winter, I added a ski coat on the top and even my fingers were toasty. Yes, it is as simple as putting on a good coat. We went hiking in the Grand Canyon a few years back. I hated the heat. It was around 110 or 120. But I was rocking shorts, tank tops, sunblock and lots of water, and was out for hours. No problems. *Temperatures are in F because I'm retarded and lazy. Just like Bioware in thise case. I'll give you the issue of the nomad being effected by cold is be bs. But the issue of -34c not being dagerous is not true. Frost bite can happen for temps 0f -19c. www.businessinsider.com/at-what-temperatures-can-you-get-frostbite-or-hypothermia-2015-2"For example, a temperature of 0 degrees Fahrenheit and a wind speed of 15 mph creates a wind chill temperature of -19 degrees Fahrenheit. Under these conditions frost bite can occur in just 30 minutes. With windchill, some areas on the Northeast could reach temperatures as low as -35 degrees Fahrenheit, according to the National Weather Service, which has issued "wind chill watches" for certain locations. At that temperature, frostbite can occur in as little as 10 minutes." "For example, in water 32.5 degrees Fahrenheit(0c) or colder, you might not survive more than 15-to-45 minutes. You'll undergo shock within the first two minutes and some functional disability before 30 minutes, according to the United States Coast Guard." |
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Post by R'Shara on Apr 26, 2017 16:33:44 GMT
I'm not sure about the 4C either. I don't have enough info to prove or disprove it. But it seems to my mind, not too likely. It's a lot easier to have water freeze at a lower temperature, since the water needs nucleation points in order to start to crystalize.
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Post by dreman999 on Apr 26, 2017 16:33:49 GMT
Dude, what? look in your fridge. Water freezes a 0c. of cousre it would start to freeze around 4 c. Hell, places snow at 4 c. Hey dude. I guess that means a no on providing a source Why do i have to provide a source for commonly know science? Do have to link you to a pages say the freezing point of water? People know this detail from when they are 6. |
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Post by dreman999 on Apr 26, 2017 16:35:17 GMT
I'm not sure about the 4C either. I don't have enough info to prove or disprove it. But it seems to my mind, not too likely. It's a lot easier to have water freeze at a lower temperature, since the water needs nucleation points in order to start to crystalize. listen, the freezing point of water of 0c. Why would it not start to freeze 4 degrees over that? |
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Post by R'Shara on Apr 26, 2017 16:36:43 GMT
I'll give you the issue of the nomad being effected by cold is be bs. But the issue of -34c not being dagerous is not true. Frost bite can happen for temps 0f -19c. www.businessinsider.com/at-what-temperatures-can-you-get-frostbite-or-hypothermia-2015-2"For example, a temperature of 0 degrees Fahrenheit and a wind speed of 15 mph creates a wind chill temperature of -19 degrees Fahrenheit. Under these conditions frost bite can occur in just 30 minutes. With windchill, some areas on the Northeast could reach temperatures as low as -35 degrees Fahrenheit, according to the National Weather Service, which has issued "wind chill watches" for certain locations. At that temperature, frostbite can occur in as little as 10 minutes." "For example, in water 32.5 degrees Fahrenheit(0c) or colder, you might not survive more than 15-to-45 minutes. You'll undergo shock within the first two minutes and some functional disability before 30 minutes, according to the United States Coast Guard." I said not hazardous if properly equipped. Also being immersed in water is a completely different story. Comparing apples to oranges here. He's not asking for a source on when water freezes (0 C). He's asking about water starting to freeze at 4C. |
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Post by themikefest on Apr 26, 2017 16:39:19 GMT
Why do i have to provide a source for commonly know science? Do have to link you to a pages say the freezing point of water? People know this detail from when they are 6. You said water starts to freeze at 4°C. Since you believe that, it shouldn't be hard to provide a source, right? Did you know the freezing point when you were 6? |
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Post by Maeljin on Apr 26, 2017 16:39:54 GMT
I've been cycling whole year around for the past 8 years or so, the coldest has been about -40 Celsius with wind. Not saying it was enjoyable in that extreme, but I haven't dropped dead in a couple of minutes either. With the game's tech and how much heat the team would build during combat, it shouldn't be an issue.
As others have said, it's ok as a gameplay mechanic, but the numbers are off.
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Post by dreman999 on Apr 26, 2017 16:40:28 GMT
I'll give you the issue of the nomad being effected by cold is be bs. But the issue of -34c not being dagerous is not true. Frost bite can happen for temps 0f -19c. www.businessinsider.com/at-what-temperatures-can-you-get-frostbite-or-hypothermia-2015-2"For example, a temperature of 0 degrees Fahrenheit and a wind speed of 15 mph creates a wind chill temperature of -19 degrees Fahrenheit. Under these conditions frost bite can occur in just 30 minutes. With windchill, some areas on the Northeast could reach temperatures as low as -35 degrees Fahrenheit, according to the National Weather Service, which has issued "wind chill watches" for certain locations. At that temperature, frostbite can occur in as little as 10 minutes." "For example, in water 32.5 degrees Fahrenheit(0c) or colder, you might not survive more than 15-to-45 minutes. You'll undergo shock within the first two minutes and some functional disability before 30 minutes, according to the United States Coast Guard." I said not hazardous if properly equipped. Also being immersed in water is a completely different story. Comparing apples to oranges here. He's not asking for a source on when water freez3es (0 C). He's asking about water starting to freeze at 4C. Alright then...https://www.quora.com/What-happens-to-water-between-0-and-4-degree-Celsius |
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Post by sdzald on Apr 26, 2017 16:41:19 GMT
Ok lets just say they should of made the temps a lot lower. Each world has its own hazard type, no reason not to have a cold one. What bugs me is after you set off the Vault, unlike all the other planets, the hazards are not lessened. I am not sure that was a bug or if they had to leave it cold or deal with the idea of all that melting ice. If that ice melted it would have turned the planet into an island world, then how do you get around? It don't think that much ice would start to unfreeze at once. Well considering "the sky is falling" climate change people claim that even a couple of degrees increase in average Earth temps will melt all ice on Earth that a drastic enough temp change from a hazard to walking around temps would have some kind of affect on the ice. Even if that is not the case how then do we account for the fact that hazards are not lowered by activating the Vault, like it works on every other planet in the game? |
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Post by R'Shara on Apr 26, 2017 16:41:48 GMT
Quora isn't really a good source, but from that link, it literally says, "Obviously, since teachers are human and often were taught by people who believe the answer one way or another, you might present it as ‘we may not exactly know’."
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Post by dreman999 on Apr 26, 2017 16:42:07 GMT
Why do i have to provide a source for commonly know science? Do have to link you to a pages say the freezing point of water? People know this detail from when they are 6. You said water starts to freeze at 4°C. Since you believe that, it shouldn't be hard to provide a source, right? Did you know the freezing point when you were 6? |
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Post by R'Shara on Apr 26, 2017 16:44:57 GMT
Quora is basically random people answering random questions. Do you have at least a scientific study or website? I linked to an Illinois university physics board. |
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Post by dreman999 on Apr 26, 2017 16:45:07 GMT
Quora isn't really a good source, but from that link, it literally says, "Obviously, since teachers are human and often were taught by people who believe the answer one way or another, you might present it as ‘we may not exactly know’." You're telling a place where people who understand the topic in detail does not know the answer? Dude, no. As stated there it debatable but it's clear it start to freeze and not at the point it freezes yet. Regardless, around 4c, you do start to see snow out side and it's is cold. |
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Post by R'Shara on Apr 26, 2017 16:49:37 GMT
Quora isn't really a good source, but from that link, it literally says, "Obviously, since teachers are human and often were taught by people who believe the answer one way or another, you might present it as ‘we may not exactly know’." You're telling a place where people who understand the topic in detail does not know the answer? Dude, no. As stated there it debatable but it's clear it start to freeze and not at the point it freezes yet. Regardless, around 4c, you do start to see snow out side and it's is cold. Well according to some of the people on that board, water is constantly a little frozen and unfreezing, at any temp, so... And I already address the snowing in an earlier post and link. Common, every day sense doesn't always apply to physics. Microscopic and macroscopic interactions often act completely opposite of common normal world sense. |
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Post by joglee on Apr 26, 2017 16:52:40 GMT
One of the things that bugs me it's the Cold Hazard mechanics because being unable to withstand a temperature of -41°C (like on Voeld) is illogical given the technological level of Mass Effect Armors. Even in our age we have equipment that can withstand the near to absolute zero temperature but with all the high tech in ME:A they can't even walk undisturbed across an Antarctica-like place. I can't find the source in the Codex right now (if you know it please tell me) but I do remember in the OT the Armors were somewhat designed to keep the user safe even in the vacuum of space. Just look at the beginning of Mass Effect 2: what caused Shepard some "problem" was the armor suffered damage and the atmospheric reentry but the low temperatures of the vacuum of space was not one of them. Anyway I'm not attacking lol the game, I do enjoy and I'll keep playing it for long. I just wanted to share my thoughts with you. What do you think about the Cold Hazards? See you in Andromeda  What clothing do we have that can withstand -459.67°F? Because -459.67°F is absolute zero. |
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Post by dreman999 on Apr 26, 2017 16:54:03 GMT
You're telling a place where people who understand the topic in detail does not know the answer? Dude, no. As stated there it debatable but it's clear it start to freeze and not at the point it freezes yet. Regardless, around 4c, you do start to see snow out side and it's is cold. Well according to some of the people on that board, water is constantly a little frozen and unfreezing, at any temp, so... And I already address the snowing in an earlier post and link. Common, every day sense doesn't always apply to physics. Microscopic and macroscopic interactions often act completely opposite of common normal world sense. 1.No. it's not. it has to be in a state of expansion and the atoms need to slow down to start to freeze. 2. which is why I said water starts to freeze at 4c. If thing are spot on with physics it would only start a 0c. But regardless, cold always equal to close to freezing. |
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Post by sdzald on Apr 26, 2017 16:54:26 GMT
I watched an entire Discovery (maybe Nat Geo or Sci channel) about the proerpties of water and its freezing points. Water freezing at 0C is just a common standard. Water can actually freeze at warmer or even MUCh lower temps based on things like what is in the water, the pressure the water is at etc.
It is an interesting topic but I am not sure what it has to do with the price of tea in China or the original topic at hand. The temps mentioned in the game should NOT be a hazard for well equipped explorers and certainly not for the Nomad. Lets just agree they were way off on their numbers, shocked Bioware way off on something in MEA, and accept it as a game mechanic.
Now can someone answer my question? Why doesn't activating the Vault lower the hazard like it does on EVERY other planet in the game?
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Post by dreman999 on Apr 26, 2017 16:55:56 GMT
....The top answer is from "Tim Holmes, An author mostly made of water." I don't know what to say to this. because it's clear the pun just went over your head. Can someone else tell this person what people are mostly made up of?...other then crap? |
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Post by aglomeracja on Apr 26, 2017 16:56:58 GMT
Wait, you guys are talking about Celsius scale right? Because in this scale "0" is exactly when water starts freezing. It doesn't freeze at 4c  |
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Post by R'Shara on Apr 26, 2017 16:56:59 GMT
I was watched an entire Discovery (maybe Nat Geo or Sci channel) about the proerpties of water and its freezing points. Water freezing at 0C is just a common standard. Water can actually freeze at warmer or even MUCh lower temps based on things like what is in the water, the pressure the water is at etc. It is an interesting topic but I am not sure what it has to do with the price of tea in China or the original topic at hand. The temps mentioned in the game should NOT be a hazard for well equipped explorers and certainly not for the Nomad. Lets just agree they were way off on their numbers, shocked Bioware way off on something in MEA, and accept it as a game mechanic. Now can someone answer my question? Why doesn't activating the Vault lower the hazard like it does on EVERY other planet in the game? Ugh, you're right. Sorry for getting stuck on that point (which is still not proven). I think Voeld is a bug, honestly. I mean, SAM says that the ambient temperature has risen 13 degrees the moment you step out of the vault, yet it HASN'T. |
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Post by R'Shara on Apr 26, 2017 16:58:06 GMT
Wait, you guys are talking about Celsius scale right? Because in this scale "0" is exactly when water starts freezing. It doesn't freeze at 4c That's basically my understanding of the freezing point of water, at 1 Atmosphere and pure water. |
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Post by R'Shara on Apr 26, 2017 17:04:08 GMT
....The top answer is from "Tim Holmes, An author mostly made of water." I don't know what to say to this. because it's clear the pun just went over your head. Can someone else tell this person what people are mostly made up of?...other then crap? Kinda like my point. FYI, I did get the pun. I just wasn't impressed by it. |
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