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Post by Basquemercat117 on Dec 4, 2018 16:43:05 GMT
honestly it would be great if the geth and edi survived, but i dont think bioware would do that
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Post by bshep on Dec 4, 2018 22:17:21 GMT
I doubt they would wipe out all Krogans, Quarians and Geth from a "ME4".
So i suspect they would mix Destroy and Control endings with a mostly paragon narrative (reapers dead, live geth and quarians and cured krogan genophage).
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Post by themikefest on Dec 4, 2018 23:09:16 GMT
The krogan wiped out? How long would that take? Even if the turian bomb goes boom, the genophage not cured, and the casualties they suffer against the reapers, it would take, I would guess, many thousands of years before they're completely gone.
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Post by dmc1001 on Dec 5, 2018 13:12:18 GMT
The krogan wiped out? How long would that take? Even if the turian bomb goes boom, the genophage not cured, and the casualties they suffer against the reapers, it would take, I would guess, many thousands of years before they're completely gone. I think the slides at the end can be confusing on this point. If you saved the rachni and didn't cure the genophage, we see the rachni in control of Tuchanka. It certainly leaves the player with the impression that the krogan died off quickly. If BW meant it to come across some other way they did a poor job of explaining things. That said, realistically, it would take centuries. If the krogan really wanted to survive they'd stop moping and train some scientists to get to work on the problem. There are also scientists from other races who would help since we know there are lots of sympathetic people out there, including a number of salarians.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2018 22:15:18 GMT
After learning of Earth's fate in MEA, I feel shooting the kid is the best option for canon, but I personally think destroying the Reapers was always the intention.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Dec 25, 2018 2:54:53 GMT
After learning of Earth's fate in MEA, I feel shooting the kid is the best option for canon, but I personally think destroying the Reapers was always the intention. What is Earth’s fate in MEA?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 25, 2018 3:25:28 GMT
After learning of Earth's fate in MEA, I feel shooting the kid is the best option for canon, but I personally think destroying the Reapers was always the intention. What is Earth’s fate in MEA? It comes across bleak and leaves you with the feeling that there's nothing left to return to, with the exception of that one time they mention notifying a next of kin in the Milky Way. That's why for me it feels like Destroy or shooting the kid happened instead of something grand like Reapers helping people, which you'd think would be a big enough thing that somehow the AI would hear of it.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Dec 25, 2018 20:46:19 GMT
What is Earth’s fate in MEA? It comes across bleak and leaves you with the feeling that there's nothing left to return to, with the exception of that one time they mention notifying a next of kin in the Milky Way. That's why for me it feels like Destroy or shooting the kid happened instead of something grand like Reapers helping people, which you'd think would be a big enough thing that somehow the AI would hear of it. Hmm, I have to disagree with that merely since we only receive word of Earth as it is being attacked at the beginning of the war not the end or after the war.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 25, 2018 21:07:17 GMT
It comes across bleak and leaves you with the feeling that there's nothing left to return to, with the exception of that one time they mention notifying a next of kin in the Milky Way. That's why for me it feels like Destroy or shooting the kid happened instead of something grand like Reapers helping people, which you'd think would be a big enough thing that somehow the AI would hear of it. Hmm, I have to disagree with that merely since we only receive word of Earth as it is being attacked at the beginning of the war not the end or after the war. Oh yeah it can go either way, but leading up to MEA and most of the trilogy, I just feel like we're being pushed to destroy the reapers. I mean TIM tried to control them and Saren tried to join them and both failed, so logically destroy would be the only choice to make for a good yet also tragic ending (losing EDI and the Geth is painful for me). The best part about ME is no matter what might have been intended, we can mess it up by choosing to follow TIM or unite everyone, but I never felt we had any direction pointing us to those choices, and it was always assumed we'd destroy them. I think it would have been nice of MEA let us input our choice in ME3 and we find out how the galaxy is doing after 600 years.
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Post by gothpunkboy89 on Dec 27, 2018 8:07:59 GMT
Hmm, I have to disagree with that merely since we only receive word of Earth as it is being attacked at the beginning of the war not the end or after the war. Oh yeah it can go either way, but leading up to MEA and most of the trilogy, I just feel like we're being pushed to destroy the reapers. I mean TIM tried to control them and Saren tried to join them and both failed, so logically destroy would be the only choice to make for a good yet also tragic ending (losing EDI and the Geth is painful for me). The best part about ME is no matter what might have been intended, we can mess it up by choosing to follow TIM or unite everyone, but I never felt we had any direction pointing us to those choices, and it was always assumed we'd destroy them. I think it would have been nice of MEA let us input our choice in ME3 and we find out how the galaxy is doing after 600 years. Saren didn't really try to join them. He simply tired to show we could be useful and thus would be spared if we could be useful to them. I wouldn't really call that joining them. But Destroy in regards to a connection with the ME:A series has nothing to offer. Refuse, Control and Synthesis offer more potential to add to the MEA story line depending on how much they want to combine the after effects of the Reaper War with the Andromeda story. The current destroy ending has had all it's teeth pulled and is so fairy tale ending it makes 50+ years of Disney Princess movies were they meet a guy then live happily ever after at the end of the movie with said guy seem like new and original ideas. Now if the emotional ending was given the teeth and the meat the original ending for it hinted at. The complete destruction of technology and setting the galaxy back to the beginning again to rebuild. That could add some interesting stuff because it would given an excuse to not simply copy and paste known technology and allow the Milky Way to develop their own path of tech not based on the Reapers. The Milky Way wouldn't be 400+ years more advanced then Andromeda and the slow restart without the benefits of the Reaper tech would mean slower expansion so more exploration to rediscover and settle planets and sub cultures of the same races developing on different isolated worlds. Allowing more uniqueness between the same species. But that would never happen because it would mean accepting there were negative parts to the emotional victory destroy ending. And would mean people accepting they destroyed the Reapers but killed not only the Geth but literally millions of people in the process to do that. Which any hint their choice isn't perfect with no down sides never seems to go down well with players so keep them happy by keeping the ending as it is. And just go with another route that could provide more interesting interaction with Andromeda story line.
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Post by eliscous on Dec 27, 2018 15:04:32 GMT
Bioware will need to choose the more practicable one. The one which offer the more possibilities. Each ending has different consequences, the most prominent for me is with the synthetis ending. It changes everything in the galaxy. My personal headcanon is the destroy ending as for other people too. I would of course be OK if this is the Bioware headcanon but I am open to other even if for me the two other does not really makes sense. My Shep don't believe the Catalyst (a IA who decide that the solution to chaos is ...chaos). It is simplified but I do not follow the solution and the explanations of the catalyst and don't trust him. For me the Control is not possible (we see this with TIM and the endoctrinement theory), there is no garantee that Shep will not end with the same reasoning and start again cycles. Shep will becomme a IA nothing more and will loose all his humanity. Synthetis: as someone pointed out (I don't remember who on this forum sorry), that does not mean no more war because even within one race there can be conflict. The only solution would be to delet all personalty and to drug people (like in the novel Brave New World). But that is not my defintion of hapiness and peace.
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Post by ahglock on Dec 27, 2018 16:34:11 GMT
Oh yeah it can go either way, but leading up to MEA and most of the trilogy, I just feel like we're being pushed to destroy the reapers. I mean TIM tried to control them and Saren tried to join them and both failed, so logically destroy would be the only choice to make for a good yet also tragic ending (losing EDI and the Geth is painful for me). The best part about ME is no matter what might have been intended, we can mess it up by choosing to follow TIM or unite everyone, but I never felt we had any direction pointing us to those choices, and it was always assumed we'd destroy them. I think it would have been nice of MEA let us input our choice in ME3 and we find out how the galaxy is doing after 600 years. Saren didn't really try to join them. He simply tired to show we could be useful and thus would be spared if we could be useful to them. I wouldn't really call that joining them. But Destroy in regards to a connection with the ME:A series has nothing to offer. Refuse, Control and Synthesis offer more potential to add to the MEA story line depending on how much they want to combine the after effects of the Reaper War with the Andromeda story. The current destroy ending has had all it's teeth pulled and is so fairy tale ending it makes 50+ years of Disney Princess movies were they meet a guy then live happily ever after at the end of the movie with said guy seem like new and original ideas. Now if the emotional ending was given the teeth and the meat the original ending for it hinted at. The complete destruction of technology and setting the galaxy back to the beginning again to rebuild. That could add some interesting stuff because it would given an excuse to not simply copy and paste known technology and allow the Milky Way to develop their own path of tech not based on the Reapers. The Milky Way wouldn't be 400+ years more advanced then Andromeda and the slow restart without the benefits of the Reaper tech would mean slower expansion so more exploration to rediscover and settle planets and sub cultures of the same races developing on different isolated worlds. Allowing more uniqueness between the same species. But that would never happen because it would mean accepting there were negative parts to the emotional victory destroy ending. And would mean people accepting they destroyed the Reapers but killed not only the Geth but literally millions of people in the process to do that. Which any hint their choice isn't perfect with no down sides never seems to go down well with players so keep them happy by keeping the ending as it is. And just go with another route that could provide more interesting interaction with Andromeda story line. Wait the ending with the most loss is the Disney ending? Both synthesis and control are more Disney than any destroy ending. Control and especially synthesis the only downsides implied are the loss of Shepard. Everything else in those endings is happier than destroy, well except I wiped out all the remaining Geth in destroy which is a great ending for me. About the only thing extra they offer to a andromeda story is the reapers and geth. And I’m sure they can throw in another AI race if they really want to over 600 years. Your argument is basically the ending with the most negative parts is not as negative as it could be. So the endings with far less negative parts are more interesting. I just don’t see it. Especially since the only positive thing destroy has over the other endings is Shepard and he’d be dead in 600 years anyways. Destroy offers the most strife and least tech advancement meaning it’s tech might actually just be on par with andromeda instead of overwhelming it. Unless the MW is the antagonist taking over andromeda I don’t see destroy as less interesting. Now synthesis might have a interesting quirk if we find out that the race that made the remnant was synthesized mw races who went to andromeda ahead of the andromeda initiative at reaper speeds and Tera formed it in anticipation of their arrival. But then were chased away by whatever race deployed the scourge. Why they made the angara could be a mystery, or maybe they were evolving them towards synthesis so the andromeda initiative would have a example to strive towards. But if it’s just about going back and or communication with the MW destroy offers at least as many interesting story options.
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Post by gothpunkboy89 on Dec 27, 2018 20:02:10 GMT
Wait the ending with the most loss is the Disney ending? Both synthesis and control are more Disney than any destroy ending. Control and especially synthesis the only downsides implied are the loss of Shepard. Everything else in those endings is happier than destroy, well except I wiped out all the remaining Geth in destroy which is a great ending for me. About the only thing extra they offer to a andromeda story is the reapers and geth. And I’m sure they can throw in another AI race if they really want to over 600 years. It is the most Disney ending because they completely hand wave away all consequences of it. It is sanitized and all consequences are removed. Hell even the Relays are shown being rebuild even though the galaxy doesn't know how to build Relays. Control and Synthesis still has the Reapers around to repair them but Destroy just pulls the repair out of thin air. Synthesis and Control are practical victories not emotional victories. They each have their own sub category they can be divided into but they both take the practical look while Destroy focuses on pure emotional satisfaction that the Reapers are gone. Particularly because a popular reason I've seen pop up again and again that people choose Destroy is simply because Shepard can survive that ending so the Disney fairy tale ending is the primary reason for said choice. Just like Refuse is a moral choice for people who think the choice is wrong and simply choose not to pick because it goes against heir morals. And if Destroy had the same teeth as Refuse has it would have made the ending even better. Because it would require players to think and realize morality and emotional satisfaction are not always the best paths in life and certainly not the best paths in war. But people don't want thought provoking or even be slightly pushed out of their happy ending zone at all. Hence why at least 8 out of 10 people who when asked how they would redo the ending would eliminate the choice and simply have the Reapers blown up and Shepard go on to live happily ever after with their chosen partner. Simple cut and dry Saturday morning Disney cartoon for 3 year olds style ending.
All Destroy ending would be is the Andromeda Initiative only more technologically advanced. Control offers the new technology the Reapers and their impact on live development to create a new set up and allow a more logical force to deal with those two mysterious races that exist in Andromeda that are on par with Reaper tech levels. Or the fundamental alteration of all life in the milky way galaxy and the new paths beyond the limits of organic evolution offers. Hell synthesis even ties into the MEA story line. The whole thing with SAM being able to interface on a neural level with the Ryder twins is the basic concept of Synthesis. Combining the best of organic and technology to create something better then the sum of it's parts.
Your argument is basically the ending with the most negative parts is not as negative as it could be. So the endings with far less negative parts are more interesting. I just don’t see it. Especially since the only positive thing destroy has over the other endings is Shepard and he’d be dead in 600 years anyways. Destroy offers the most strife and least tech advancement meaning it’s tech might actually just be on par with andromeda instead of overwhelming it. Unless the MW is the antagonist taking over andromeda I don’t see destroy as less interesting. The negative ending with the second most negative parts (refuse is arguably worse) has all the negative parts taken away and never mentioned or hinted at. And when these realistic parts are brought up on this site and others people who choose destory get a bit...snippy for pointing stuff out like all the ships in space hit with the pulse would slowly die of lack of oxygen. Lack of Relays and the impact of the war would mean entire colonies and planets would go all Mad Max over the few remaining supplies they have. Murdering and killing each other in a desperate bid to survive. Because without the Relays there wouldn't be any way to distribute supplies to those far reaching colonies in time. Particularly given that nearly every planet has been devastated and wouldn't be able to support their own populations without heavy rationing of food, water and medical supplies. Hell you literally see an entire content on Palivin burning. You really think it would be able to effectively support the remaining Turian population post war? Destroy ending and particularly post EC wipes all those consequences clean of the ending. Which means the galaxy is the exact same as before with no major changes or possible changes done.
Now synthesis might have a interesting quirk if we find out that the race that made the remnant was synthesized mw races who went to andromeda ahead of the andromeda initiative at reaper speeds and Tera formed it in anticipation of their arrival. But then were chased away by whatever race deployed the scourge. Why they made the angara could be a mystery, or maybe they were evolving them towards synthesis so the andromeda initiative would have a example to strive towards. The idea that the mysterious advance races of the Andromeda galaxy are really from the Milky Way is just stupid. How ever there is clearly a plot that there are 2 advanced races that are enemies of each other. Eventually the plot will develop were they will have to address one or the other and the problem is that it once again sets up humanity as the extra special snow flake. Because hundreds of years of conflict couldn't be solved until humanity became involved then the super special race in the entire universe was able to address these problems. Which is the same problem trap they fell into in the OT were Humanity went from just another one of the races in the galaxy into the super special awesome race that is better then all others for numerous reasons. Add the Reapers or a fundamentally altered Synthesis ending galaxy with the Reapers into the mix and it now becomes groups of equals fighting with the Reapers or post Synthesis galaxy adding the necessary weight to solve the problem in a logical manner. Other wise we will end up with another Crucible set up. A Deus Ex Machnia item pulled out of no where in the 11th hour to validate how a group armed with the technological equivalent of flint lock pistols compared to our modern day weapons are some how a threat and suppose to be an effect on the obvious confrontation that will come in the series.
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Post by dmc1001 on Dec 30, 2018 13:46:56 GMT
Hmm, I have to disagree with that merely since we only receive word of Earth as it is being attacked at the beginning of the war not the end or after the war. Oh yeah it can go either way, but leading up to MEA and most of the trilogy, I just feel like we're being pushed to destroy the reapers. I mean TIM tried to control them and Saren tried to join them and both failed, so logically destroy would be the only choice to make for a good yet also tragic ending (losing EDI and the Geth is painful for me). The best part about ME is no matter what might have been intended, we can mess it up by choosing to follow TIM or unite everyone, but I never felt we had any direction pointing us to those choices, and it was always assumed we'd destroy them. I think it would have been nice of MEA let us input our choice in ME3 and we find out how the galaxy is doing after 600 years. If anything, I think they were leading to Synthesis. Making EDI a prominent and trusted squadmate, Shepard working with Legion, potential for a reconciliation between the geth and the quarians, Legion acknowledged (depending on the outcome) having a soul, and the very nature of Reapers as - in their heads - organic and synthetic combined.
That said, Destroy is my only option. That Catalyst says nothing of interest to me other than that it had been using a failed solution for a billion years. Beyond that, it tries to lie by claiming Synthesis is the "final" evolution. If this thing doesn't know how evolution works, why would I trust its best ideas? No, they have to go, if for no other reason than punishment for a billion years worth of genocide, not to mention attempted genocide of the galaxy as it currently exists.
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The final evolution of life for a Reaper is a Reaper. By choosing synthesis, you are essentially agreeing to a Reaper's solution to this conflict instead of your own solution.
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Oh yeah it can go either way, but leading up to MEA and most of the trilogy, I just feel like we're being pushed to destroy the reapers. I mean TIM tried to control them and Saren tried to join them and both failed, so logically destroy would be the only choice to make for a good yet also tragic ending (losing EDI and the Geth is painful for me). The best part about ME is no matter what might have been intended, we can mess it up by choosing to follow TIM or unite everyone, but I never felt we had any direction pointing us to those choices, and it was always assumed we'd destroy them. I think it would have been nice of MEA let us input our choice in ME3 and we find out how the galaxy is doing after 600 years. If anything, I think they were leading to Synthesis. Making EDI a prominent and trusted squadmate, Shepard working with Legion, potential for a reconciliation between the geth and the quarians, Legion acknowledged (depending on the outcome) having a soul, and the very nature of Reapers as - in their heads - organic and synthetic combined.
That said, Destroy is my only option. That Catalyst says nothing of interest to me other than that it had been using a failed solution for a billion years. Beyond that, it tries to lie by claiming Synthesis is the "final" evolution. If this thing doesn't know how evolution works, why would I trust its best ideas? No, they have to go, if for no other reason than punishment for a billion years worth of genocide, not to mention attempted genocide of the galaxy as it currently exists.
I always hoped that Destroy would somehow find a way to spare EDI and the Geth because I always play matchmaker for her and Joker and save both the Geth and Quarians, but then I can only save them if I do not destroy the Reapers. It feels wrong, but that ending would be too perfect. Everyone lives, Shepard ends up with their LI and all is well. I think MEA blew my mind with how truly happy the ending was, and it felt nice for a change, but left me thinking if they make an MEA2 they will manage to rip away that happiness somehow. Same. Who am I to decide if everyone wants to be transformed? It's not my right to make that choice. In a galaxy where people are still racist and set in their ways, doing this to them would feel as if I was just creating a new type of war to be fought.
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Post by dmc1001 on Dec 31, 2018 5:17:32 GMT
Same. Who am I to decide if everyone wants to be transformed? It's not my right to make that choice. In a galaxy where people are still racist and set in their ways, doing this to them would feel as if I was just creating a new type of war to be fought. This is exactly what I thought! Okay, fine, so there's no more organic/synthetic war because we're all the same. Whatever. Now, if I had just watched millions - billions - of people killed by Reapers, I'm not letting it go because they no longer have a beef with us. Oh, no. It's still war as far as I'm concerned. They don't get to be off the hook! As for the rest...okay, we've got cyborg Catholics vs cyborg Muslims, cyborg blacks vs cyborg whites, cyborg turians vs cyborg turians...what exactly was supposed to have changed? Absolutely nothing has changed except that the Reapers no longer want to destroy everyone else. No one else has changed how they feel about Reapers.
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Post by themikefest on Dec 31, 2018 13:04:30 GMT
I always hoped that Destroy would somehow find a way to spare EDI and the Geth because I always play matchmaker for her and Joker and save both the Geth and Quarians, I am not a fan of the relationship between the edibot and Moreau. I would rather have had the option for my Shepard to throw the platform out the airlock. With the geth, the only way they survive is if they upload reaper code. How do I know they won't attack? Why should I trust what a machine says to me? If it wasn't for the reapers interference, the quarians would have destroyed the geth. By choosing the quarians, I let them finish what they started. Would I want the geth to survive destroy instead of having them upload reaper code? Sure. It would be interesting what role they would have in a sequel. I view the green as a joke. The thing is wrong when it says it's something that can't be forced. Shepard is the one forcing it on the galaxy. Everything the catalyst says about the green is to butter it up so that it isn't destroyed or replaced.
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Post by sassafrassa on Jan 2, 2019 0:25:27 GMT
Synthesis is too weird to be practical. Breaks too many barriers, which is a bad thing. You don't want your distinct species in the setting merging.
I think Destroy is the most interesting ending because it partially wipes the slate and lets you re-shape the Milky Way, writing in lots of new lore depending on how much time has passed.
Control is safe as you can just magic the Reapers away and say that Shepard had them fly into a star. It lets you pick up right where you left off.
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Post by HYR on Jan 3, 2019 5:53:15 GMT
I want canon Green ending in a cyberpunk/post-cyberpunk space world, enemies like the ME2 mercanary gangs and a story that is less concerned with saving (or shaping) the world and more concerned with the new protagonist and their companions living life.
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Post by Ascend on Jan 3, 2019 15:02:41 GMT
It is the most Disney ending because they completely hand wave away all consequences of it. It is sanitized and all consequences are removed. Hell even the Relays are shown being rebuild even though the galaxy doesn't know how to build Relays. Control and Synthesis still has the Reapers around to repair them but Destroy just pulls the repair out of thin air. Synthesis and Control are practical victories not emotional victories. They each have their own sub category they can be divided into but they both take the practical look while Destroy focuses on pure emotional satisfaction that the Reapers are gone. Particularly because a popular reason I've seen pop up again and again that people choose Destroy is simply because Shepard can survive that ending so the Disney fairy tale ending is the primary reason for said choice. Just like Refuse is a moral choice for people who think the choice is wrong and simply choose not to pick because it goes against heir morals. And if Destroy had the same teeth as Refuse has it would have made the ending even better. Because it would require players to think and realize morality and emotional satisfaction are not always the best paths in life and certainly not the best paths in war. But people don't want thought provoking or even be slightly pushed out of their happy ending zone at all. Hence why at least 8 out of 10 people who when asked how they would redo the ending would eliminate the choice and simply have the Reapers blown up and Shepard go on to live happily ever after with their chosen partner. Simple cut and dry Saturday morning Disney cartoon for 3 year olds style ending. Best description I've seen... I've never seen so many people throw a tantrum because of a videogame ending. It's the reason I will vehemently oppose the destroy ending. The majority within the group that want destroy to be canon want to silence everyone else that thinks another ending is better. Not through logic and reasoning, but through bullying and temper tantrums. Disney being mentioned here is the best correlation, because it reflects the mental simplicity and emotional immaturity of these people.
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Post by Phantom on Jan 3, 2019 16:53:46 GMT
I want canon Green ending in a cyberpunk/post-cyberpunk space world, enemies like the ME2 mercanary gangs and a story that is less concerned with saving (or shaping) the world and more concerned with the new protagonist and their companions living life. Haters can bite me. this is the internet, so weirdos might take you up on that offer. Also they will ask, "how hard do you want me to bite you?"
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Post by dmc1001 on Jan 3, 2019 18:34:18 GMT
I want canon Green ending in a cyberpunk/post-cyberpunk space world, enemies like the ME2 mercanary gangs and a story that is less concerned with saving (or shaping) the world and more concerned with the new protagonist and their companions living life. Haters can bite me. It's not hate. It's just that people believe this will solve anything. It won't. There will still be hatred and wars. There will still be the desire to annihilate the creatures who killed thousands of billions of organic beings in the galaxy. Nothing is solved.
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Post by capn233 on Jan 5, 2019 22:44:49 GMT
Modified Destroy would be the best, otherwise you have to go with Control where Shepard-AI and Reapers all vanish.
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Post by dmc1001 on Jan 8, 2019 2:51:57 GMT
What is modified Destroy? Are you talking about using a mod like MEHEM? That's nice but I'll still take high EMS Destroy over anything else. To me, Control is creepy. Plus, Reapers continue to exist and they just don't deserve to.
Let's use the pretend numbers Star Wars uses for its galaxy. In known space, there are 100 quadrillion sentient beings. Multiply that by 20000 (1 billion divided by 50000 - cycles started a billion years ago and repeat every 50000 years). Can we really even calculate just how many deaths the Reapers are responsible for? To me, slavery is too good for them. To me, getting to walk off is too good for them. Kill those fuckers.
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