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Post by Link"Guess"ski on Apr 12, 2018 22:03:06 GMT
General newsflash that may end up being positive for BioWare: www.resetera.com/threads/update-on-the-executive-side-of-ea-with-new-roles.35793/EA has recently undergone executive changes that will surely affect how they operate compared to previously. Why? I'm not sure and probably only real industry insiders will know the deal here, but presumably they're changing things to improve, which is no doubt needed after the BF2 blunders and other stuff... or it could be just a way to effectivize their focus on profitable affairs and monetization since that's such a big thing nowadays. Let's just stick to presuming that this means a better EA than a year ago, okay? Additionally: When the Doctors quit in 2012 initially they put Patrick in charge as BioWare's leader. On his LinkedIn page it says "BioWare studios was added to my list of responsibilities 2012-2013" Relevant from the article: - Patrick Sönderlund, previously "vice president" is now Chief Design Officer. He'll be in charge of worldwide studios and have a "greater executive impact". So either he gets to execute more companies or execute well as a business leader and see good companies do well. -- Ftr, this man, former head of DICE, regularly visits studios including BioWare to oversee their progress. He's an advocate for all things creative at EA but also a manager of the business behind such big productions, so he got to make really big choices including the agreement to shutter Visceral Games. On the flipside he actually went out of his way last year, even noted that it was outside of his PR-bounds, to say that he thought on a personal level that Mass Effect Andromeda was over-criticized and that he would like to see the franchise have another game release eventually, because he thinks it's a good IP. -
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Post by Sanunes on Apr 12, 2018 22:09:11 GMT
My guess is they want to have his voice carry more weight within the company since he has made key decisions such as closing studios and feedback to help steer games. This way he can speak with even more authority instead of giving reports and having others speak based on his opinions.
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Post by Link"Guess"ski on Apr 12, 2018 22:10:41 GMT
My guess is they want to have his voice carry more weight within the company since he has made key decisions such as closing studios and feedback to help steer games. This way he can speak with even more authority instead of giving reports and having others speak based on his opinions. There were also 7 other employees that are well known that have changes positions so my guess is it's just promotion cycle but it might lead to good since Patrick now has more say in whether Mass Effect will have a future or not than before.
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Post by sil on Apr 12, 2018 23:15:45 GMT
Shame this didn't happen before the DLC production was halted, maybe he would've funded it.
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Post by natetrace on Apr 13, 2018 1:04:05 GMT
Maybe it will lead to something. Maybe. I agree with Soderlund that Andromeda was over criticized. Continued support would have helped greatly.
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Post by dmc1001 on Apr 13, 2018 1:41:58 GMT
Maybe it will lead to something. Maybe. I agree with Soderlund that Andromeda was over criticized. Continued support would have helped greatly. I've said as much to them on Twitter. Even suggested that DLC might make change some minds.
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Post by natetrace on Apr 13, 2018 2:19:11 GMT
I still think an expansion like Uncharted 4 or Dishonored 2 got isn't a bad idea to continue games, wrap up games, or tell a different story.
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Post by dmc1001 on Apr 13, 2018 2:36:52 GMT
I still think an expansion like Uncharted 4 or Dishonored 2 got isn't a bad idea to continue games, wrap up games, or tell a different story. Which is what? I don't have PlayStation so can't even play Uncharted. I'm not sure about dishonored. Is it an RPG? Either way, what are those expansions like?
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Post by river82 on Apr 13, 2018 2:42:57 GMT
-- Ftr, this man, former head of DICE, regularly visits studios including BioWare to oversee their progress. He's an advocate for all things creative at EA but also a manager of the business behind such big productions, so he got to make really big choices including the agreement to shutter Visceral Games. On the flipside he actually went out of his way last year, even noted that it was outside of his PR-bounds, to say that he thought on a personal level that Mass Effect Andromeda was over-criticized and that he would like to see the franchise have another game release eventually, because he thinks it's a good IP. - He also said if Mass Effect were to return, it would have to return in a "really relevant way" set in "a fresh, exciting place". The latter part of that almost certainly means no Andromeda sequel, and the first part of that (and this is a stretch) may have to do with gameplay.
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Post by griffith82 on Apr 13, 2018 3:20:55 GMT
-- Ftr, this man, former head of DICE, regularly visits studios including BioWare to oversee their progress. He's an advocate for all things creative at EA but also a manager of the business behind such big productions, so he got to make really big choices including the agreement to shutter Visceral Games. On the flipside he actually went out of his way last year, even noted that it was outside of his PR-bounds, to say that he thought on a personal level that Mass Effect Andromeda was over-criticized and that he would like to see the franchise have another game release eventually, because he thinks it's a good IP. - He also said if Mass Effect were to return, it would have to return in a "really relevant way" set in "a fresh, exciting place". The latter part of that almost certainly means no Andromeda sequel, and the first part of that (and this is a stretch) may have to do with gameplay. I wouldn’t count on that. That’d be a big mistake not to continue Andromeda.
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Post by coldsteelblue on Apr 13, 2018 8:30:15 GMT
I still think an expansion like Uncharted 4 or Dishonored 2 got isn't a bad idea to continue games, wrap up games, or tell a different story. Which is what? I don't have PlayStation so can't even play Uncharted. I'm not sure about dishonored. Is it an RPG? Either way, what are those expansions like? Don't have Dishonoured, but currently paying through the Lost Legacy for Uncharted, it's really good, just like the full game, only not as long, in short, it's a proper good old fashioned expansion, just focusing in different characters, if you had a PS4 I would recommend it. But that's just my opinion.
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Post by sil on Apr 13, 2018 8:50:43 GMT
Which is what? I don't have PlayStation so can't even play Uncharted. I'm not sure about dishonored. Is it an RPG? Either way, what are those expansions like? Don't have Dishonoured, but currently paying through the Lost Legacy for Uncharted, it's really good, just like the full game, only not as long, in short, it's a proper good old fashioned expansion, just focusing in different characters, if you had a PS4 I would recommend it. But that's just my opinion. Such a thing would be a good way for Andromeda to continue, perhaps playing through a shorter storyline as the quarian pathfinder as they try to find a way to the Nexus, throw in a couple of planets to explore and a small crew to fight beside and a great expansion could be achieved.
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Post by coldsteelblue on Apr 13, 2018 9:10:44 GMT
Don't have Dishonoured, but currently paying through the Lost Legacy for Uncharted, it's really good, just like the full game, only not as long, in short, it's a proper good old fashioned expansion, just focusing in different characters, if you had a PS4 I would recommend it. But that's just my opinion. Such a thing would be a good way for Andromeda to continue, perhaps playing through a shorter storyline as the quarian pathfinder as they try to find a way to the Nexus, throw in a couple of planets to explore and a small crew to fight beside and a great expansion could be achieved. Makes sense to me, I'd buy that.
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Post by helios969 on Apr 13, 2018 10:11:14 GMT
He also said if Mass Effect were to return, it would have to return in a "really relevant way" set in "a fresh, exciting place". The latter part of that almost certainly means no Andromeda sequel, and the first part of that (and this is a stretch) may have to do with gameplay. I wouldn’t count on that. That’d be a big mistake not to continue Andromeda. Fixed that for you.
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Post by SofaJockey on Apr 13, 2018 11:03:02 GMT
He also said if Mass Effect were to return, it would have to return in a "really relevant way" set in "a fresh, exciting place" ok... Milky Way? No. Reapers / endings Andromeda Galaxy? No. 'My face hurts' er, Large Magellanic Cloud? Triangulum Galaxy ok, I'm joking, but whatever happens, there will some people who go ape shit at the choice, irrespective of which one. Whatever Patrick Söderlund gets up to if he has the creative direction of the company at heart, good luck to him.
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Post by Sanunes on Apr 13, 2018 12:03:43 GMT
Shame this didn't happen before the DLC production was halted, maybe he would've funded it. We don't know the reasons for not having DLC, so it could just as easily still happened even with him being promoted. People are assuming that it is because of sales or lack of faith in the game, but it could have been just as easily they were moving people around that EA considered the source of the problems and there was a lack of management or other key people.
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Post by l337cat on Apr 13, 2018 12:11:43 GMT
I hope he chooses to continue Andromeda. No I'm not saying it was perfect. Only one new alien race, no elcor, volus, hanar, quarians, or drell and yes the very not good faces. However despite all of that I still consider MEA to be the best Mass Effect game since the original. Yes I'm aware that I'm most likely in the minority here.
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Post by Unicephalon 40-D on Apr 13, 2018 12:17:01 GMT
I hope he chooses to continue Andromeda. I still consider MEA to be the best Mass Effect game since the original. Yes I'm aware that I'm most likely in the minority here. But you're not alone I feel the same, as they went too far with 2 and 3 simplifying for simpletons.
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Post by cypherj on Apr 13, 2018 12:18:23 GMT
-- Ftr, this man, former head of DICE, regularly visits studios including BioWare to oversee their progress. He's an advocate for all things creative at EA but also a manager of the business behind such big productions, so he got to make really big choices including the agreement to shutter Visceral Games. On the flipside he actually went out of his way last year, even noted that it was outside of his PR-bounds, to say that he thought on a personal level that Mass Effect Andromeda was over-criticized and that he would like to see the franchise have another game release eventually, because he thinks it's a good IP. - He also said if Mass Effect were to return, it would have to return in a "really relevant way" set in "a fresh, exciting place". The latter part of that almost certainly means no Andromeda sequel, and the first part of that (and this is a stretch) may have to do with gameplay. I think the chances are slim that they do a direct sequel to the game. But they could stay in Andromeda and do another named title. Go the Dragon Age route and just change it up every game. They would need to build up Andromeda more from a history and lore perspective though. Which I why I've said they should advance time, A LOT. There was nothing so urgent in the game that it needed to be tied up in a direct sequel anyway, or couldn't be looked into at a later time. Even the benefactor would make a better story in the future. I think the benefactor is a group and not a person, so you could just have them with people in Andromeda, who have been bidding their time, placing themselves in key positions and now have power there as well. Then you could go back and find out how is all started and who are the key members in Andromeda pulling the strings.
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Post by SofaJockey on Apr 13, 2018 12:27:22 GMT
(DLC) People are assuming that it is because of sales or lack of faith in the game My understanding from what BioWare hinted was that it was largely down to the insufficient install-base. Why spend $X when you will only recoup $X-Y, that's not how businesses works.
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Post by Sanunes on Apr 13, 2018 12:30:46 GMT
I still think an expansion like Uncharted 4 or Dishonored 2 got isn't a bad idea to continue games, wrap up games, or tell a different story. One thing that Andromeda crystallized for me is just because something works for one developer doesn't mean it will work for all developers. People have different expectations when a developer makes a game or content and if it doesn't fall into those categories they will complain about what isn't there. Just because that type of expansion worked for those game doesn't mean it would be a good idea for BioWare to do it. If Andromeda didn't have enough interest or whatever reason that they pulled the DLC program for it, I just don't think an expansion would have worked either.
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Post by Sanunes on Apr 13, 2018 12:34:52 GMT
(DLC) People are assuming that it is because of sales or lack of faith in the game My understanding from what BioWare hinted was that it was largely down to the insufficient install-base. Why spend $X when you will only recoup $X-Y, that's not how businesses works. The way I always took it and its still open to interpretation was that there wasn't enough of a player base at that time. So there might have been enough people right at launch, but since the playerbase dwindles over time and less people buy DLC as a game sits on the shelf. Its still pretty much the same thing of not selling enough copies to justify the expense.
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Post by cypherj on Apr 13, 2018 12:41:47 GMT
(DLC) People are assuming that it is because of sales or lack of faith in the game My understanding from what BioWare hinted was that it was largely down to the insufficient install-base. Why spend $X when you will only recoup $X-Y, that's not how businesses works. This is what I've pretty much always thought. A lot of people ran out and pre-ordered the game or bought it during launch window, but not enough of them continued to play it. Then there probably wasn't enough new people coming in to make a market for additional content so they pulled the plug. I'm sure they can also see things like: - The last time someone played, even if they still had the game installed. - How many people finished the game. - How many people finished it more than once.
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Post by griffith82 on Apr 13, 2018 12:42:36 GMT
I wouldn’t count on that. That’d be a big mistake not to continue Andromeda. Fixed that for you. We have different opinions accept that. Going backwards or ignoring Andromeda would be the biggest mistake they could ever make and they would certainly loose more fans than you think.
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Post by Sanunes on Apr 13, 2018 13:22:40 GMT
We have different opinions accept that. Going backwards or ignoring Andromeda would be the biggest mistake they could ever make and they would certainly loose more fans than you think. Agreed, I think going backwards in the hope they might get back people that left. Runs a bigger risk of losing people that stayed with the franchise with Andromeda then making the install base larger.
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