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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Apr 17, 2018 17:12:10 GMT
If the next game does include Ryder and Co. I do think the Tempest should get some weaponry. Maybe be like the Heleus Defender Armor and have the Tempest upgraded with Heleus technology as well as Milky Way.
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Post by samhain444 on Apr 17, 2018 17:21:16 GMT
If the next game does include Ryder and Co. I do think the Tempest should get some weaponry. Maybe be like the Heleus Defender Armor and have the Tempest upgraded with Heleus technology as well as Milky Way. I think they could have a good "reveal" scene with that - kind of like when they revealed the Normandy 2 in ME2. Slow pan along the upgraded armor, pausing to highlight the new state of art weapons systems that has been added since the defeat the Archon and deemed necessary with the Kett threat still viable.
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Post by dmc1001 on Apr 17, 2018 18:10:27 GMT
If the next game does include Ryder and Co. I do think the Tempest should get some weaponry. Maybe be like the Heleus Defender Armor and have the Tempest upgraded with Heleus technology as well as Milky Way. No reason not to have upgrades. Now they know Heleus is a dangerous place and that they have enemies out there. Weapons are a must.
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Post by bshep on Apr 17, 2018 18:52:15 GMT
They could easily install gardian lasers which have pretty much null inertial shock compared to a mass accelerated gun and torpedos that are cold launched. That would solve the problem of the ship's "glass windows" breaking under too much stress.
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Post by cypherj on Apr 17, 2018 19:07:44 GMT
If the next game does include Ryder and Co. I do think the Tempest should get some weaponry. Maybe be like the Heleus Defender Armor and have the Tempest upgraded with Heleus technology as well as Milky Way. No reason not to have upgrades. Now they know Heleus is a dangerous place and that they have enemies out there. Weapons are a must. At the time you step on the Tempest for the first time the Kett have attacked you on Habitat 7, and wiped out two Initiative bases on Eos. Helius was a dangerous place when you started lol.
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Post by colfoley on Apr 17, 2018 20:05:05 GMT
Why are people here so blind to the obvious? (I'll answer that - it's because they really want to just keep on dissing this game, flogging the dead horse, burying Anthem before it's even released, burying Bioware in the process... and making fun here online of anyone who happens to like this game despite its flaws. Childish.) You really have something against people that say something bad about the game, whether its true or not, that causes you to say its childish or laughable. You have deleted your account what...3 times? You did the same before. So, will you eventually delete your current account because of... or will you stick around? Why can't having the ship armed with weapons be for the purpose of defending against hostile attacks? You say the anagara would attack if the tempest appeared to be armed. How would they know by looking at it? Look at the SR2 with the thannix cannon. Would you know it had a cannon hiding underneath the fuselage by looking at it? ever heard of sensors? Granted we aren't sure how they work but usually in sci fi people can tell when a ship is armed. Anyways I personally doubt the Angarra would have just opened fire and I doubt that's the reason the writers wrote it that way. The in universe reason was the AI was a peaceful, private organization. The meta reason was they could write interesting solutions to these people's problems.
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Post by flyingovertrout on Apr 17, 2018 20:08:06 GMT
Space combat--in either gameplay or cut scenes--have never been a big part of Mass Effect. Seems like a moot point to me.
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Post by themikefest on Apr 17, 2018 21:01:51 GMT
ever heard of sensors? Granted we aren't sure how they work but usually in sci fi people can tell when a ship is armed. Are those sensors able to tell the difference between a ship having a weapon or if its part of the ship without ever seeing a ship like that before?
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Post by colfoley on Apr 17, 2018 23:09:23 GMT
ever heard of sensors? Granted we aren't sure how they work but usually in sci fi people can tell when a ship is armed. Are those sensors able to tell the difference between a ship having a weapon or if its part of the ship without ever seeing a ship like that before? Again we are not exactly sure on the exact capabilities of sensors in the ME universe but things like design principles should be fairly universal. And as Cora said the recoil from any main guns on the Tempest would blow out the windows. The Angarra got at least close enough to see that the Tempest had those windows so they very likely would have known that the Tempestwas not armed. Heck I forget the exact scene but wasn't it mentioned that they were scanning the Tempest on the way down?
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Post by Andrew Lucas on Apr 18, 2018 2:18:03 GMT
People are crazy and Bioware's fanbase is double that craziness. The past games are fine as they are. But I do agree with you, now that we've reached Andromeda, it's time to focus there. The MW is over, nothing will probably ever top the Reapers, they did enough there. Andromeda opened new possibilities but current Bioware didn't have the quality to match them, they played too safe and the talent was gone, hence the flop, but it's never too late to try again. I do think that they can do anything they want with Andromeda, especially now. Andromeda does seem more like a prequel rather than a first installment, which is...interesting. And you're right, nothing will top the fight against the Reapers. I see more one off Milky Way games rather than a new trilogy. I enjoyed Andromeda, but if there was ever a time to blow things up and not play it safe now is sure as hell the time! We better have new aliens coming out of our butts, so to speak, in the next one. Next game better have Rock You Like a Hurricane as the song in it's trailer! Damn I'm old... Agreed. After MEA, they need to reimagine the these new games, carbon pasting the past and managing to suck even at that won't ever work. There's loads of potential, almost infinite, the old baggage is gone, there's just so much room to explore and improve, I'm not expecting any new Mass Effect game any soon since we haven't heard anything (unlike when MEA entered pre-production), but I will be there if it happens. Hopefully, BioWare can return to the top dogs of the gaming industry by then, and put this new game up there, cause MEA failed miserably at that whether one likes it or not.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2018 2:37:03 GMT
Why are people here so blind to the obvious? (I'll answer that - it's because they really want to just keep on dissing this game, flogging the dead horse, burying Anthem before it's even released, burying Bioware in the process... and making fun here online of anyone who happens to like this game despite its flaws. Childish.) You really have something against people that say something bad about the game, whether its true or not, that causes you to say its childish or laughable. You have deleted your account what...3 times? You did the same before. So, will you eventually delete your current account because of... or will you stick around? Why can't having the ship armed with weapons be for the purpose of defending against hostile attacks? You say the anagara would attack if the tempest appeared to be armed. How would they know by looking at it? Look at the SR2 with the thannix cannon. Would you know it had a cannon hiding underneath the fuselage by looking at it? My reasons for deleting my account have little to do with the nobs here who think they can make everything into a personal attack (just as you've done now). In the quote above, you'll note I am not attacking a person, but a behavior. They can determine for themselves whether my opinion about the behavior is something they want to consider. I left last time because I had basically said everything I had to say. When I figured I had something different to say, I rejoined. I don't like leaving dormant accounts all over the net, so I delete them when I don't expect to be using them for a length of time. What does it matter to you anyways? I've never tried to hide my identity when I've returned. I'm the only one who "suffers" any loss for it - losing my post count and "reputation" score in the process. Bioware could have certainly written their story with an armed ship at its core. They didn't. Why, did they write it that way? Ask them. My guess is gameplay. I said earlier that it's not a story-breaking element for me because I don't really think that going into every unknown situation armed to the nines is necessarily the best course of action. There's plenty of examples in nature of animals that use disguises or flight to survive. My comments here were trying to relay those alternatives in reasoning, but if you'd rather continue to say that Bioware not giving Tempest a big gun ruins the whole story, that's your prerogative. I disagree. As for people missing the obvious, they are. We are literally shown that the Initiative is armed in several ways... just not with a big gun on their big ships. So, was it something they (i.e. the AI) didn't think about at all (la la hippies)? I doubt it. It doesn't add up perfectly either way. However, I also acknowledged that Bioware has never been great at making things add up. The Things That Don't Make Sense Thread (in which you yourself are a frequent poster) proves that.
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Post by correctamundo on Apr 18, 2018 7:10:30 GMT
As i recall they weren't allowed to arm their big ships by the council or the Alliance (in Hyperions case). Garson obviously felt that fight wasn't worth the hassle. The AI was never toothless though. That is just silly notion put forth by people who never engaged in the story in the first place. Every ark as well as the Nexus have those fighters to be used in defence. More importantly the have their security personel.
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Post by helios969 on Apr 18, 2018 9:24:45 GMT
If the next game does include Ryder and Co. I do think the Tempest should get some weaponry. Maybe be like the Heleus Defender Armor and have the Tempest upgraded with Heleus technology as well as Milky Way. I think they could have a good "reveal" scene with that - kind of like when they revealed the Normandy 2 in ME2. Slow pan along the upgraded armor, pausing to highlight the new state of art weapons systems that has been added since the defeat the Archon and deemed necessary with the Kett threat still viable. I was kind of hoping I could find an operational version of the crashed ship on Eladen and just go for Kett central.
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Post by CrutchCricket on Apr 18, 2018 16:21:18 GMT
Let's watch the personal attacks folks.
You can point out the stupidity of a game decision (or of the argument attacking it) without attacking the person.
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Post by ahglock on Apr 18, 2018 18:13:28 GMT
They could easily install gardian lasers which have pretty much null inertial shock compared to a mass accelerated gun and torpedos that are cold launched. That would solve the problem of the ship's "glass windows" breaking under too much stress. Why would lasers have null inertial shock? I'm not a physicist but I assume the equal and opposite reaction thing still happens with lasers. That being said the excuse was just that an excuse. Even if its valid why would you build big ass windows on a ship, even without guns its weird to have large areas that are structurally weaker. And since its just an excuse if they want to add guns, they just say blah blah venting recoil compensation allows us to use guns.
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Post by griffith82 on Apr 18, 2018 19:13:49 GMT
People are crazy and Bioware's fanbase is double that craziness. The past games are fine as they are. But I do agree with you, now that we've reached Andromeda, it's time to focus there. The MW is over, nothing will probably ever top the Reapers, they did enough there. Andromeda opened new possibilities but current Bioware didn't have the quality to match them, they played too safe and the talent was gone, hence the flop, but it's never too late to try again. People here are in Fantasyland. There's no point in trying to argue with them. I know it's fun to poke the stick at the bear, but there's really no point at this time. Yup. The fantasy that the MET was perfect and why Andromeda sucks. Laughable.
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Post by griffith82 on Apr 18, 2018 19:17:51 GMT
I do think that they can do anything they want with Andromeda, especially now. Andromeda does seem more like a prequel rather than a first installment, which is...interesting. And you're right, nothing will top the fight against the Reapers. I see more one off Milky Way games rather than a new trilogy. I enjoyed Andromeda, but if there was ever a time to blow things up and not play it safe now is sure as hell the time! We better have new aliens coming out of our butts, so to speak, in the next one. Next game better have Rock You Like a Hurricane as the song in it's trailer! Damn I'm old... Agreed. After MEA, they need to reimagine the these new games, carbon pasting the past and managing to suck even at that won't ever work. There's loads of potential, almost infinite, the old baggage is gone, there's just so much room to explore and improve, I'm not expecting any new Mass Effect game any soon since we haven't heard anything (unlike when MEA entered pre-production), but I will be there if it happens. Hopefully, BioWare can return to the top dogs of the gaming industry by then, and put this new game up there, cause MEA failed miserably at that whether one likes it or not. Point me to evidence where it failed please.
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Post by griffith82 on Apr 18, 2018 19:19:35 GMT
No reason not to have upgrades. Now they know Heleus is a dangerous place and that they have enemies out there. Weapons are a must. At the time you step on the Tempest for the first time the Kett have attacked you on Habitat 7, and wiped out two Initiative bases on Eos. Helius was a dangerous place when you started lol. We couldn’t at that stage. We didn’t have the resources and it would have angered the Angara and made an alliance hard. Now we could collaborate on that together.
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Post by goishen on Apr 18, 2018 19:50:27 GMT
People here are in Fantasyland. There's no point in trying to argue with them. I know it's fun to poke the stick at the bear, but there's really no point at this time. Yup. The fantasy that the MET was perfect and why Andromeda sucks. Laughable. See what I mean? Batshit insane.
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Post by griffith82 on Apr 18, 2018 20:06:56 GMT
Yup. The fantasy that the MET was perfect and why Andromeda sucks. Laughable. See what I mean? Batshit insane. Insults eh? Not surprising coming from you. But uncalled for nonetheless.
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Post by KaiserShep on Apr 18, 2018 20:16:33 GMT
At the time you step on the Tempest for the first time the Kett have attacked you on Habitat 7, and wiped out two Initiative bases on Eos. Helius was a dangerous place when you started lol. We couldn’t at that stage. We didn’t have the resources and it would have angered the Angara and made an alliance hard. Now we could collaborate on that together. Provided the Initiative creates a proper drydock where they can do major overhauls to larger ships, I doubt it would make much of a difference to the Angara. The Initiative has the ability to stealthily launch raids on any settlement it wished using smaller craft and armed units. The Tempest itself might not be able to bombard anything, but it can sneak in and drop off people who can, and the Ai has fighter craft that seem to be superior to anything the Angara have in space, which seem to be nothing but those shuttles.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2018 20:31:24 GMT
Yup. The fantasy that the MET was perfect and why Andromeda sucks. Laughable. See what I mean? Batshit insane. The fact is that the MET is not perfect. You yourself have cited several imperfections in it in posts all over this site. Similarly, Andromeda has some redeeming qualities. The professional critics gave it an average score. Many people here have also indicated that it is an average to good game. I do rate it as a very good game, but people here who like Andromeda (including myself) have continually acknowledged that ME:A is not perfect despite being continually hit with accusations that they are totally oblivious to its flaws. So, I'll repeat myself yet again for clarity: I like Andromeda DESPITE it's flaws. Yes, that means that I don't believe it "sucks" and it is my prerogative to hold that opinion. I don't expect everyone to like every book, movie, painting, song OR game that I do, so I am acknowledging that it is your prerogative to think it "sucks." Finally, this whole argument, which has gone on for more than a year now IS laughable, IMO. People here have been now asked by the mods to stop the personal insults, so would you please comply?
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Post by griffith82 on Apr 18, 2018 20:31:38 GMT
We couldn’t at that stage. We didn’t have the resources and it would have angered the Angara and made an alliance hard. Now we could collaborate on that together. Provided the Initiative creates a proper drydock where they can do major overhauls to larger ships, I doubt it would make much of a difference to the Angara. The Initiative has the ability to stealthily launch raids on any settlement it wished using smaller craft and armed units. The Tempest itself might not be able to bombard anything, but it can sneak in and drop off people who can, and the Ai has fighter craft that seem to be superior to anything the Angara have in space, which seem to be nothing but those shuttles. Maybe but showing force would have not been smart imo.
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Post by goishen on Apr 18, 2018 20:39:35 GMT
See what I mean? Batshit insane. The fact is that the MET is not perfect. You yourself have cited several imperfections in it in posts all over this site. Similarly, Andromeda has some redeeming qualities. The professional critics gave it an average score. Many people here have also indicated that it is an average to good game. I do rate it as a very good game, but people here who like Andromeda (including myself) have continually acknowledged that ME:A is not perfect despite being continually hit with accusations that they are totally oblivious to its flaws. So, I'll repeat myself yet again for clarity: I like Andromeda DESPITE it's flaws. Yes, that means that I don't believe it "sucks" and it is my prerogative to hold that opinion. I don't expect everyone to like every book, movie, painting, song OR game that I do, so I am acknowledging that it is your prerogative to think it "sucks." Finally, this whole argument, which has gone on for more than a year now IS laughable, IMO. People here have been now asked by the mods to stop the personal insults, so would you please comply? I personally don't care to argue with, or anybody else, about the game. There's absolutely zero point. That was the point of my original post, which he just laughed in the face of my post, by posting what he did. So, now, you tell me. Who's arguing with whom, and by what means?
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Post by CrutchCricket on Apr 18, 2018 20:46:04 GMT
Hey, wasn't this about some EA exec?
Pages of bickering about the same old shit instead? You better believe that's a lockdown!
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