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Post by goishen on Apr 16, 2018 19:33:02 GMT
The thing that really kills me is everyone failing up.
If I fuck up at my job, I get canned. If one of these mooks majorly fucks up, they get promoted. wat? It seems as if they stole a page from the Brad McQuaid playbook of "How to fuck up everything in life and get rich while doing it."
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2018 19:52:27 GMT
... and that's a reason to assume that a ship touted has having the firepower of 20 dreadnoughts that can "rip through the barriers of any ship in the Alliance" can't similarly rip through the barriers on geth fighters (see discussion on Things That Don't Make Sense Thread)... and yet assume that an entire planet held by a species that have been at war with another species for nearly a century and who have located their Resistance HQ on that planet have no defenses in place to repel that enemy should they attack that planet? Laughable how you keep trying to pull comments out of context. Did you actually read my post? I ask as you have, perhaps deliberately, missed my point entirely. I did read your comment. Your point was still using my comment out of the context in which it was written, so I clarified my context. I've even added a further clarification to that post. As far as your point goes - I simply don't give a ...
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Post by KaiserShep on Apr 16, 2018 20:46:47 GMT
Had the Ryder sibling failed to reach the console to reset SAM and revive the Pathfinder, the Archon would have successfully overridden Meridian's controls, and basically everyone in Heleus would have no ground to run to. He'd reverse terraforming on Podromos to make an example, and probably Kadara next as payback. Had it not been for the scrouge, the kett would have killed Ryder and the others before reaching Meridian. Well, if we really want to be technical about our what-ifs, it's very unlikely that the kett would get that far. Without the Scourge, the Jardaan would still have control over the cluster and their terraforming network. It's anyone's guess how they would greet the Initiative, but it's a fair bet that they would demolish the Kett with their remote-operated swarm of fighter craft. Whatever role they created for the Angara is anyone's guess as well, but suffice to say there'd probably be a heck of a lot more of them than we have now. And the paltry few left standing in the cluster have been able to hold their own for almost a century.
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Post by sil on Apr 16, 2018 21:05:16 GMT
The thing that really kills me is everyone failing up. If I fuck up at my job, I get canned. If one of these mooks majorly fucks up, they get promoted. wat? It seems as if they stole a page from the Brad McQuaid playbook of "How to fuck up everything in life and get rich while doing it." That's what happens when you reach a certain position. You used to see it in the company my dad used to work for when he was payroll manager. They'd get people in on the top jobs, they'd waste a tonne of money on useless ideas, the company would suffer, they'd get the push but would get a massive payoff to get pushed, and then they would walk into a similar job elsewhere. It'd repeat more times than the Reapers have committed genocide.
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Post by Sanunes on Apr 17, 2018 0:05:40 GMT
The thing that really kills me is everyone failing up. If I fuck up at my job, I get canned. If one of these mooks majorly fucks up, they get promoted. wat? It seems as if they stole a page from the Brad McQuaid playbook of "How to fuck up everything in life and get rich while doing it." That's what happens when you reach a certain position. You used to see it in the company my dad used to work for when he was payroll manager. They'd get people in on the top jobs, they'd waste a tonne of money on useless ideas, the company would suffer, they'd get the push but would get a massive payoff to get pushed, and then they would walk into a similar job elsewhere. It'd repeat more times than the Reapers have committed genocide. Yep, it always feels like the people that cannot do the job spend time making sure they are glad handing everyone so they get promoted so the people that are doing the job are too busy actually working.
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Post by Andrew Lucas on Apr 17, 2018 0:15:43 GMT
Have you ever heard of this word called "quality"? It's associated with the MET. Ever heard of a word called “opinion.” Thought not. You can also have a bad opinion. It happens. Have you ever heard of this word called "quality"? It's associated with the MET. Did you play the same games I did? There were plenty of problems in the first three games. Just because for some reason you can overlook those and not the ones in Andromeda doesn't mean those issues didn't hurt those games. Who said they don't have any issues? I don't think I ever did? You're just so butthurt over Andromeda's dead corpse that you can't comprehend words? The trilogy has issues, and despite that still managed to pull out three critically acclaimed games that sold very well and are reminded as one of the finest gaming trilogies of the seventh generation, and of all time. What about Andromeda? A pit of rubbish.
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Post by Andrew Lucas on Apr 17, 2018 0:20:55 GMT
Have you ever heard of this word called "quality"? It's associated with the MET. Indeed I have heard of that word! I do associate it with the trilogy, I even *gasp* think of it with Andromeda! I just found it interesting that so many want to change such quality. Changing all of how ME1 works, reworking the ending of 3. Surely they cannot speak such blasphemy when they badger BioWare about remasters? Also I don't mind returning to the Milky Way, I just think closure in Andromeda and telling new stories in the MW is better than giving the past a new coat of paint. People are crazy and Bioware's fanbase is double that craziness. The past games are fine as they are. But I do agree with you, now that we've reached Andromeda, it's time to focus there. The MW is over, nothing will probably ever top the Reapers, they did enough there. Andromeda opened new possibilities but current Bioware didn't have the quality to match them, they played too safe and the talent was gone, hence the flop, but it's never too late to try again.
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Post by smilesja on Apr 17, 2018 0:21:54 GMT
Ever heard of a word called “opinion.” Thought not. You can also have a bad opinion. It happens. What is your problem?
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Post by smilesja on Apr 17, 2018 0:23:04 GMT
Indeed I have heard of that word! I do associate it with the trilogy, I even *gasp* think of it with Andromeda! I just found it interesting that so many want to change such quality. Changing all of how ME1 works, reworking the ending of 3. Surely they cannot speak such blasphemy when they badger BioWare about remasters? Also I don't mind returning to the Milky Way, I just think closure in Andromeda and telling new stories in the MW is better than giving the past a new coat of paint. People are crazy and Bioware's fanbase is double that craziness. You and the other people who hate Bioware are no different.
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Post by griffith82 on Apr 17, 2018 2:30:04 GMT
You can also have a bad opinion. It happens. What is your problem? He doesn’t like opinions that differ from his.
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Post by natetrace on Apr 17, 2018 3:06:40 GMT
Indeed I have heard of that word! I do associate it with the trilogy, I even *gasp* think of it with Andromeda! I just found it interesting that so many want to change such quality. Changing all of how ME1 works, reworking the ending of 3. Surely they cannot speak such blasphemy when they badger BioWare about remasters? Also I don't mind returning to the Milky Way, I just think closure in Andromeda and telling new stories in the MW is better than giving the past a new coat of paint. People are crazy and Bioware's fanbase is double that craziness. The past games are fine as they are. But I do agree with you, now that we've reached Andromeda, it's time to focus there. The MW is over, nothing will probably ever top the Reapers, they did enough there. Andromeda opened new possibilities but current Bioware didn't have the quality to match them, they played too safe and the talent was gone, hence the flop, but it's never too late to try again. I do think that they can do anything they want with Andromeda, especially now. Andromeda does seem more like a prequel rather than a first installment, which is...interesting. And you're right, nothing will top the fight against the Reapers. I see more one off Milky Way games rather than a new trilogy. I enjoyed Andromeda, but if there was ever a time to blow things up and not play it safe now is sure as hell the time! We better have new aliens coming out of our butts, so to speak, in the next one. Next game better have Rock You Like a Hurricane as the song in it's trailer! Damn I'm old...
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Post by goishen on Apr 17, 2018 3:25:49 GMT
Indeed I have heard of that word! I do associate it with the trilogy, I even *gasp* think of it with Andromeda! I just found it interesting that so many want to change such quality. Changing all of how ME1 works, reworking the ending of 3. Surely they cannot speak such blasphemy when they badger BioWare about remasters? Also I don't mind returning to the Milky Way, I just think closure in Andromeda and telling new stories in the MW is better than giving the past a new coat of paint. People are crazy and Bioware's fanbase is double that craziness. The past games are fine as they are. But I do agree with you, now that we've reached Andromeda, it's time to focus there. The MW is over, nothing will probably ever top the Reapers, they did enough there. Andromeda opened new possibilities but current Bioware didn't have the quality to match them, they played too safe and the talent was gone, hence the flop, but it's never too late to try again. People here are in Fantasyland. There's no point in trying to argue with them. I know it's fun to poke the stick at the bear, but there's really no point at this time.
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Post by clips7 on Apr 17, 2018 4:26:07 GMT
"He's an advocate for all things creative at EA but also a manager of the business behind such big productions, so he got to make really big choices including the agreement to shutter Visceral Games. On the flipside he actually went out of his way last year, even noted that it was outside of his PR-bounds, to say that he thought on a personal level that Mass Effect Andromeda was over-criticized and that he would like to see the franchise have another game release eventually, because he thinks it's a good IP"
Ahhhh.....so he was the guy that signed off on Visceral Games (Dead Space) getting the boot?.... ......then he states that Andromeda was over-criticized?....lol. Truthfully i understand that there was probably more folks involved in the breakup of Visceral, but i really wanted another dead space from that group....even the 3rd game was pretty solid and the gameplay was still just as silky smooth as the first two.... Andromeda did receive some outrageous criticism, but those was mostly from clowns on the internet mainly talking about the facial animations and glitches during it's release. More respected sites like IGN, Gamespot, gave reviews that pointed to issues with the mediorce story and lacking characters that was void of any interesting personalities that was seen with the trilogy characters ....those two issues are what plagued Andromeda the most... But yeah....Andromeda 2 can redeem itself with an interesting story and a bit of a revamp to Ryder's boring personality....Felt like it was the blind leading the blind in Andromeda and SAM was doing all of the heavy lifting....
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Post by Andrew Waples on Apr 17, 2018 12:05:46 GMT
People are crazy and Bioware's fanbase is double that craziness. The past games are fine as they are. But I do agree with you, now that we've reached Andromeda, it's time to focus there. The MW is over, nothing will probably ever top the Reapers, they did enough there. Andromeda opened new possibilities but current Bioware didn't have the quality to match them, they played too safe and the talent was gone, hence the flop, but it's never too late to try again. People here are in Fantasyland. There's no point in trying to argue with them. I know it's fun to poke the stick at the bear, but there's really no point at this time. Yeah, when did MEA come out again? 😒 Enough is enough.
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Post by gplayer on Apr 17, 2018 12:44:07 GMT
Which did nothing to aid them in making peace with the native population. I doubt they were there to protect them from the unknown, but so that they could protect themselves while leaving the seas that they already knew were also sailed by their nation's enemies and pirates of the day. They were just damned lucky that the native populations of the unknown shores they were exploring were not in position of technology equal to their own... or they would have never made landfall. Another thing to note is that Columbus believed he was finding an alternate route to East Asia (a land known by Europeans... just that that overland trade route were blocked by enemies). So, he also had reason to believe he would meet resistance at his destination. There are 2 points here - one is having the benefit of hindsight. They were going into the unknown so they went prepared. The other is a matter of objectives. If the objective is colonization then the objective was accomplished rather spectacularly. The Initiative seemed to me like it set off to Andromeda thinking it was empty space or that natives would be irrelevant (primitive species) or able to accommodate them. For all they know they might have encountered an advanced species that refused them docking rights and unwilling to accept these "Milky Way refugees" whom they know nothing about and doubt will integrate into their society. They might have to rough it on a less than ideal planet. There are just way to many unknowns to not be armed. The problem is that the story affirms more than once that the nexus and arks are toothless but never explains why in a convincing manner. Even as a quick and agile scout ship, the Tempest fails to keep up with an old lady who stole a random shuttle. Think about that for a sec.
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Which did nothing to aid them in making peace with the native population. I doubt they were there to protect them from the unknown, but so that they could protect themselves while leaving the seas that they already knew were also sailed by their nation's enemies and pirates of the day. They were just damned lucky that the native populations of the unknown shores they were exploring were not in position of technology equal to their own... or they would have never made landfall. Another thing to note is that Columbus believed he was finding an alternate route to East Asia (a land known by Europeans... just that that overland trade route were blocked by enemies). So, he also had reason to believe he would meet resistance at his destination. There are 2 points here - one is having the benefit of hindsight. They were going into the unknown so they went prepared. The other is a matter of objectives. If the objective is colonization then the objective was accomplished rather spectacularly. The Initiative seemed to me like it set off to Andromeda thinking it was empty space or that natives would be irrelevant (primitive species) or able to accommodate them. For all they know they might have encountered an advanced species that refused them docking rights and unwilling to accept these "Milky Way refugees" whom they know nothing about and doubt will integrate into their society. They might have to rough it on a less than ideal planet. There are just way to many unknowns to not be armed. The problem is that the story affirms more than once that the nexus and arks are toothless but never explains why in a convincing manner. Even as a quick and agile scout ship, the Tempest fails to keep up with an old lady who stole a random shuttle. Think about that for a sec. Chasing the old lady is a plot hole - inconsistent in terms of both what shuttles can do and what Tempest can do. Similar to ME1's error with the Destiny Ascension being oversold as having excessive firepower and then having it be totally helpless in the final battle. As I said, Bioware has made the same sorts of writing mistakes in all the ME games. However, the Initiative is shown to have been armed in the final battle. They had some fighter-type ships along for the ride. Not as heavily armed as people wanted, but still armed... so the argument that they were like a bunch of hippies going off into space with their eyes shut doesn't hold water. They likely chose to not arm the Nexus or arcs because they would have been sitting ducks anyways, with everyone asleep. They felt it was better to not appear hostile and hope (yes, hope) that whatever they met in Andromeda would be at least willing to try to talk first. The Kett were not... and somehow, the people of the Nexus and Sloane's crew were able to fight them (and defeat them in Sloane's case). The Initiative was armed. The story shows us that... It's just not in the "big canon" on the "big ship" way. Why are people here so blind to the obvious? (I'll answer that - it's because they really want to just keep on dissing this game, flogging the dead horse, burying Anthem before it's even released, burying Bioware in the process... and making fun here online of anyone who happens to like this game despite its flaws. Childish.) Tempest is not armed because, again, they wanted to try an approach of talking first. Had Tempest appeared armed and hostile, the Angara would have blown Ryder & company away without even opening the comms.
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Post by cypherj on Apr 17, 2018 15:20:21 GMT
There are 2 points here - one is having the benefit of hindsight. They were going into the unknown so they went prepared. The other is a matter of objectives. If the objective is colonization then the objective was accomplished rather spectacularly. The Initiative seemed to me like it set off to Andromeda thinking it was empty space or that natives would be irrelevant (primitive species) or able to accommodate them. For all they know they might have encountered an advanced species that refused them docking rights and unwilling to accept these "Milky Way refugees" whom they know nothing about and doubt will integrate into their society. They might have to rough it on a less than ideal planet. There are just way to many unknowns to not be armed. The problem is that the story affirms more than once that the nexus and arks are toothless but never explains why in a convincing manner. Even as a quick and agile scout ship, the Tempest fails to keep up with an old lady who stole a random shuttle. Think about that for a sec. Tempest is not armed because, again, they wanted to try an approach of talking first. Had Tempest appeared armed and hostile, the Angara would have blown Ryder & company away without even opening the comms. This doesn't really make sense though. If an alien ship came into Earth's orbit tomorrow and sent down scout ships. There is no way someone on Earth is going to be able to look at these ships and tell if they're armed or not because the design & technology would be something that we've never seen before. No one would know the ships' offensive or defensive capabilities until they attacked it, or were attacked by it. There's no way an Angaran would be able to look and a ship designed in the MW and say this ship has weapons, or this ship is without offensive capabilities. They're either going to give you a chance to talk or they're not. If they don't, and you have no means to defend yourself, everyone is dead. But the simple fact is that I can't see anyone going somewhere without having a means to defend themselves. The Federation wasn't a military organization, but the Enterprise had weapons, and their primary job was to discover new races and make first contacts.
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Tempest is not armed because, again, they wanted to try an approach of talking first. Had Tempest appeared armed and hostile, the Angara would have blown Ryder & company away without even opening the comms. This doesn't really make sense though. If an alien ship came into Earth's orbit tomorrow and sent down scout ships. There is no way someone on Earth is going to be able to look at these ships and tell if they're armed or not because the design & technology would be something that we've never seen before. No one would know the ships' offensive or defensive capabilities until they attacked it, or were attacked by it. There's no way an Angaran would be able to look and a ship designed in the MW and say this ship has weapons, or this ship is without offensive capabilities. They're either going to give you a chance to talk or they're not. If they don't, and you have no means to defend yourself, everyone is dead. But the simple fact is that I can't see anyone going somewhere without having a means to defend themselves. The Federation wasn't a military organization, but the Enterprise had weapons, and their primary job was to discover new races and make first contacts. What you say may be true IRL, except that within the ME Universe, a kett gun still pretty much looks like a gun; and we were told outright that the laws of physics still apply in this galaxy the same as they do in the Milky Way. The Angara do, therefore, instantly recognize an Initiative gun as a gun and would also do so even if that gun were mounted on a ship. Ryder also instantly recognizes the big guns aboard the Archon's ship as being what they are - big guns. The Kett also scan the Tempest first.
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Post by cypherj on Apr 17, 2018 15:57:17 GMT
This doesn't really make sense though. If an alien ship came into Earth's orbit tomorrow and sent down scout ships. There is no way someone on Earth is going to be able to look at these ships and tell if they're armed or not because the design & technology would be something that we've never seen before. No one would know the ships' offensive or defensive capabilities until they attacked it, or were attacked by it. There's no way an Angaran would be able to look and a ship designed in the MW and say this ship has weapons, or this ship is without offensive capabilities. They're either going to give you a chance to talk or they're not. If they don't, and you have no means to defend yourself, everyone is dead. But the simple fact is that I can't see anyone going somewhere without having a means to defend themselves. The Federation wasn't a military organization, but the Enterprise had weapons, and their primary job was to discover new races and make first contacts. What you say may be true IRL, except that within the ME Universe, a kett gun still pretty much looks like a gun; and we were told outright that the laws of physics still apply in this galaxy the same as they do in the Milky Way. The Angara do, therefore, instantly recognize an Initiative gun as a gun and would also do so even if that gun were mounted on a ship. Ryder also instantly recognizes the big guns aboard the Archon's ship as being what they are - big guns. Where was the main gun mounted on the Normandy? It wasn't, it lowered out of the hull of the ship. Like I said, no one can just look at a ship and tell what capabilities it has if they've never seen the tech before. Also, no one would mount a huge gun on a ship designed for speed. You said it, physics are the same everywhere.
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What you say may be true IRL, except that within the ME Universe, a kett gun still pretty much looks like a gun; and we were told outright that the laws of physics still apply in this galaxy the same as they do in the Milky Way. The Angara do, therefore, instantly recognize an Initiative gun as a gun and would also do so even if that gun were mounted on a ship. Ryder also instantly recognizes the big guns aboard the Archon's ship as being what they are - big guns. Where was the main gun mounted on the Normandy? It wasn't, it lowered out of the hull of the ship. Like I said, no one can just look at a ship and tell what capabilities it has if they've never seen the tech before. Also, no one would mount a huge gun on a ship designed for speed. You said it, physics are the same everywhere. It still doesn't hold that, within the ME Universe, they would not recognize a ship carrying armaments as hostile until they attacked it or it attacked them. They have scanners. They would recognize the basic elements of a machine capable of firing a "charge" of pretty much any kind (electric, plasma, or physical). They would know long before attacking or being attacked.
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Why are people here so blind to the obvious? (I'll answer that - it's because they really want to just keep on dissing this game, flogging the dead horse, burying Anthem before it's even released, burying Bioware in the process... and making fun here online of anyone who happens to like this game despite its flaws. Childish.) You really have something against people that say something bad about the game, whether its true or not, that causes you to say its childish or laughable. You have deleted your account what...3 times? You did the same before. So, will you eventually delete your current account because of... or will you stick around? Why can't having the ship armed with weapons be for the purpose of defending against hostile attacks? You say the anagara would attack if the tempest appeared to be armed. How would they know by looking at it? Look at the SR2 with the thannix cannon. Would you know it had a cannon hiding underneath the fuselage by looking at it?
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Post by griffith82 on Apr 17, 2018 16:43:56 GMT
Why are people here so blind to the obvious? (I'll answer that - it's because they really want to just keep on dissing this game, flogging the dead horse, burying Anthem before it's even released, burying Bioware in the process... and making fun here online of anyone who happens to like this game despite its flaws. Childish.) You really have something against people that say something bad about the game, whether its true or not, that causes you to say its childish or laughable. You have deleted your account what...3 times? You did the same before. So, will you eventually delete your current account because of... or will you stick around? Why can't having the ship armed with weapons be for the purpose of defending against hostile attacks? You say the anagara would attack if the tempest appeared to be armed. How would they know by looking at it? Look at the SR2 with the thannix cannon. Would you know it had a cannon hiding underneath the fuselage by looking at it? Actually it’s people like you that have caused her to leave. She is expressing her opinion nothing more. Don’t like it? Don’t engage.
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Post by cypherj on Apr 17, 2018 16:44:49 GMT
Where was the main gun mounted on the Normandy? It wasn't, it lowered out of the hull of the ship. Like I said, no one can just look at a ship and tell what capabilities it has if they've never seen the tech before. Also, no one would mount a huge gun on a ship designed for speed. You said it, physics are the same everywhere. It still doesn't hold that, within the ME Universe, they would not recognize a ship carrying armaments as hostile until they attacked it or it attacked them. They have scanners. They would recognize the basic elements of a machine capable of firing a "charge" of pretty much any kind (electric, plasma, or physical). They would know long before attacking or being attacked. No, they would know it when the Initiative ship actually charged it up, which would be right before they attacked them with it. Even then, they would still just be energy reading from the ship that could be weapons. But you're not going to get readings from something that is not emitting any energy. You would be able to scan the engines if they're running, but you wouldn't be able to scan a ship and say this piece of unknown, currently non functioning tech is a weapon and can't be anything but a weapon. But just for arguments sake, say the Angarans could scan the ship and know everything about it, if the Initiative ship isn't powering its weapons up, why would they think it was hostile? However, if the Angarans did have such scanning equipment they would see the huge armory of weapons you have in the belly of the ship, and following your thought process blow you out of the sky rather than let you land anyway.
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Post by themikefest on Apr 17, 2018 16:49:13 GMT
Actually it’s people like you that have caused her to leave. She is expressing her opinion nothing more. Her? Are you sure? The same can be said about you
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Post by griffith82 on Apr 17, 2018 16:52:10 GMT
Actually it’s people like you that have caused her to leave. She is expressing her opinion nothing more. Her? Are you sure? The same can be said about you Yup and I only engage now with topics I’m passionate about. Defending a friend among them.
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