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Post by dmc1001 on Apr 17, 2019 2:33:40 GMT
That makes turians out to being dumber than portrayed. It’s pretty obvious the dormant relay law is directionally based. People outside the network could never know not to open it after all. It’s meant for people in the network not to poke and explore. The turians were scared and acted out of fear of the unknown. No the turians are not dumb but they are very much a "follow orders" type people. They like order for the most part and value discipline more then the other races. Just because they prefer things in a "black and white" way rather then grey doesn't meant their dumb. Except when it leads to an unnecessary war. Hence, the First Contact War/Relay 314 Incident wherein the turians attacked an "innocent" race because...Reasons? It was a closed relay, meaning they had no idea of who was on the other side. It could literally have been any unknown race. And it was an unknown race. The turians were the shoot first ask questions later type. That said, so are humans. Had turians come through the Charon Relay, the Alliance would almost definitely attacked.
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Post by sassafrassa on Apr 17, 2019 3:48:08 GMT
Except when it leads to an unnecessary war. Hence, the First Contact War/Relay 314 Incident wherein the turians attacked an "innocent" race because...Reasons? You almost found the answer in your post but failed to carry it through. Granted, there have been retcons, but the reason the turians attacked humanity for opening a mass relay was because opening mass relays is highly dangerous. The Rachni Wars began when the salarians opened a relay into rachni space. They had been opening relays as they found them. After the Rachni Wars (or perhaps during) it was decided by the Council that no longer would relays be activated as soon as they were found, only after the other-end of the relay had been located first. This greatly slowed the expansion of Council Space. You did touch on another issue that I've had for a long time; was it wise for humanity to open the Charon relay at all? I would argue that it should not have been activated. Anything could have been on the other side and the chances of a negative outcome for the human race would be unacceptably high. The responsible thing would have been to figure out where it goes first or even to perhaps tow it to another solar system and work at trying to dismantle it. It's impossible that mass relays could be indestructible. Dismantle and rebuild a technology and you make it your own.
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Post by dmc1001 on Apr 17, 2019 15:08:09 GMT
You almost found the answer in your post but failed to carry it through. Granted, there have been retcons, but the reason the turians attacked humanity for opening a mass relay was because opening mass relays is highly dangerous. Yes, I understand that. It's discussed in the sentences following the one you quoted. I can imagine the turians being on alert but outright attacking is something ele. You did touch on another issue that I've had for a long time; was it wise for humanity to open the Charon relay at all? I would argue that it should not have been activated. I guarantee that if RL humanity found something like that they'd open it. See also, Stargate SG-1. |
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Post by brfritos on Apr 19, 2019 23:57:56 GMT
You did touch on another issue that I've had for a long time; was it wise for humanity to open the Charon relay at all? I would argue that it should not have been activated. Anything could have been on the other side and the chances of a negative outcome for the human race would be unacceptably high. The responsible thing would have been to figure out where it goes first or even to perhaps tow it to another solar system and work at trying to dismantle it. It's impossible that mass relays could be indestructible. Dismantle and rebuild a technology and you make it your own.
Actually the Illusive Man touches this subject when confronting Shepard and Anderson on the Citadel. He states that some people belived the relays shouldn't be open because of fear what would be on the other side.
Granted, opening the Charon relay bring attrition with the batarians and almost a war with the turians that would probably lead Earth to be conquered. But at the same time bringed various colonies to be build, which easy the pression on Earth's overpopulation, various scarce resources that hugely benefited the human race and contact with another forms of life. I think the gains surpassed way more the dangers. As for the relays beign indestructible or not, the game contradicts itself at every turn. In ME1 relays are capable of surviving a supernova and the game imply we actually don't know how to build or the intrinsic functionality of the relays. We know how to operate them the same way we know how to operate a microwave oven. And that's it. In ME2 this changed and now relays can be destroyed with a simple asteroid hit, but at the expanse the system they are in. Also it infer that now we know how the relays are build, since Aethyta talks about "how the asari should construct new mass relays themselves".
Granted maybe the races were able to gain this knowledge because of Vigil, who states that Protheans were on the grasp of knowing how to create new mass relays and even build one. At the same time Anderson tells us that Vigil don't work anymore and the Alliance can't access it.
Then in ME3 this again change and now not only we know how the relays work, they don't destroy the system they are in anymore and we can rebuild them and the Citadel!
We barelly gather enough materials to build the Crucible, the game a lot of times tells us we are scrapping the bottom of the barrel when doing it. And we rebuild that massive and colossal space station that make Jump Zero looks like a "port-a-john"? It's hard to believe.
I don't mind the relays being retconned at every game to be honest, I wish the retcons were not THAT obvious, but rebuilding the Citadel? I think the game should end with the Citadel being losted, like it was the price to pay for destroying the reapers (in sinthesys and control the Citadel being rebuilded actually makes more sense).
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Post by gothpunkboy89 on Apr 20, 2019 1:05:17 GMT
As for the relays beign indestructible or not, the game contradicts itself at every turn. In ME1 relays are capable of surviving a supernova and the game imply we actually don't know how to build or the intrinsic functionality of the relays. We know how to operate them the same way we know how to operate a microwave oven. And that's it. In ME2 this changed and now relays can be destroyed with a simple asteroid hit, but at the expanse the system they are in. Also it infer that now we know how the relays are build, since Aethyta talks about "how the asari should construct new mass relays themselves".
Granted maybe the races were able to gain this knowledge because of Vigil, who states that Protheans were on the grasp of knowing how to create new mass relays and even build one. At the same time Anderson tells us that Vigil don't work anymore and the Alliance can't access it.
Not really given that Relays are always positions at the extreme edge of a system. Even a super nova would lose significant power across that distance. And if the gravity anchor is messed with due to the explosion it could be taken out of the gravity well and sent to float free. Theoretically speaking you could hook a chain around a Mass Relay and use the Normandy or maybe up to the Destiny Ascension to pull it out of orbit. Slamming an asteroid the size of Texas is a whole other situation particularly if they were able to rupture the barrier with all the energy was contained in.
It is vague about if the Asari know how to build mass relays. However they way she talks it seems like she wanted more focus on science so the Asari would be able to one day build their own mass relays.
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Post by garrusfan1 on Apr 20, 2019 1:22:33 GMT
As for the relays beign indestructible or not, the game contradicts itself at every turn. In ME1 relays are capable of surviving a supernova and the game imply we actually don't know how to build or the intrinsic functionality of the relays. We know how to operate them the same way we know how to operate a microwave oven. And that's it. In ME2 this changed and now relays can be destroyed with a simple asteroid hit, but at the expanse the system they are in. Also it infer that now we know how the relays are build, since Aethyta talks about "how the asari should construct new mass relays themselves".
Granted maybe the races were able to gain this knowledge because of Vigil, who states that Protheans were on the grasp of knowing how to create new mass relays and even build one. At the same time Anderson tells us that Vigil don't work anymore and the Alliance can't access it.
Not really given that Relays are always positions at the extreme edge of a system. Even a super nova would lose significant power across that distance. And if the gravity anchor is messed with due to the explosion it could be taken out of the gravity well and sent to float free. Theoretically speaking you could hook a chain around a Mass Relay and use the Normandy or maybe up to the Destiny Ascension to pull it out of orbit. Slamming an asteroid the size of Texas is a whole other situation particularly if they were able to rupture the barrier with all the energy was contained in.
It is vague about if the Asari know how to build mass relays. However they way she talks it seems like she wanted more focus on science so the Asari would be able to one day build their own mass relays.
I am not gonna comment on the supernova thing since I am severly lacking in my knowledge of space.
As for liara's "father" saying that stuff. I think your right she was just saying the asari should stop being so patient and use their abilities to their full potential since they could be some of the best scientist ever. Her reference to building a relay made sense since knowing how to build one could be a HUGE benefit. Build one a day away from thessia that would go to another asari world for example and you would cut down on trade time by weeks or months.
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Post by sassafrassa on Apr 20, 2019 2:03:20 GMT
Actually the Illusive Man touches this subject when confronting Shepard and Anderson on the Citadel. He states that some people belived the relays shouldn't be open because of fear what would be on the other side. I think those people were right. What odds do you think are acceptable when gambling with the survival of your civilization and species? There was much to be learned, more so, by caution and careful study. Recklessness pays quick dividends but it catches up with you eventually.
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Post by brfritos on Apr 20, 2019 4:28:26 GMT
Actually the Illusive Man touches this subject when confronting Shepard and Anderson on the Citadel. He states that some people belived the relays shouldn't be open because of fear what would be on the other side. I think those people were right. What odds do you think are acceptable when gambling with the survival of your civilization and species? There was much to be learned, more so, by caution and careful study. Recklessness pays quick dividends but it catches up with you eventually.
Reckless? I think this is jumping into conclusions. The game doesn't provide solid data, so we can merely speculate the fact.
I think there was lenghty discussions about opening the relay or not after it was discovered. Ultimately the task fall upon the recently created Systems Alliance, but I belive most governments of the period voted for exploring the relay. As in every decision, there were two opposite sides, the one favoring opening the relay winning the argument.
Also there's the Mars Archives.
The protheans left technologies there and our scientists were able to at least decode some of the information. We reverse engineered the protheans ships we've found, meaning we were able to develop FTL travel and were able to locate the Charon relay. What you are proposing I think is not possible because at the time we didn't had the knowledge to chart a relay destination, much more calculating where its pair is located.
It was a risk? Sure. But I think it was a calculated risk and we took the necessary precautions with the knowledge we had at the time.
It was for example the same risks and challenges earlier astronauts, cosmonauts and space engineers faced in the beginning of the space race. Some of them thought that simply traveling to space would kill a human being, even with all the precautions taken. We didn't knew that vacuum exposure kill a person in less than 30 seconds by asphixiation, we guessed it would implode a human being into pieces or freeze and shater your body and etc.
Actually if you are exposed to the vacuum without a pressurized suit your blood will boil, your lungs will collapse, you will freeze to death and the suddenly change of pressure will rip parts of your skin, but you will be long dead before all this happens because you will suffocate and lose your conscience in less than 15 seconds.
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Post by brfritos on Apr 20, 2019 5:45:04 GMT
As for the relays beign indestructible or not, the game contradicts itself at every turn. In ME1 relays are capable of surviving a supernova and the game imply we actually don't know how to build or the intrinsic functionality of the relays. We know how to operate them the same way we know how to operate a microwave oven. And that's it. In ME2 this changed and now relays can be destroyed with a simple asteroid hit, but at the expanse the system they are in. Also it infer that now we know how the relays are build, since Aethyta talks about "how the asari should construct new mass relays themselves".
Granted maybe the races were able to gain this knowledge because of Vigil, who states that Protheans were on the grasp of knowing how to create new mass relays and even build one. At the same time Anderson tells us that Vigil don't work anymore and the Alliance can't access it.
Not really given that Relays are always positions at the extreme edge of a system. Even a super nova would lose significant power across that distance. And if the gravity anchor is messed with due to the explosion it could be taken out of the gravity well and sent to float free. Theoretically speaking you could hook a chain around a Mass Relay and use the Normandy or maybe up to the Destiny Ascension to pull it out of orbit. Slamming an asteroid the size of Texas is a whole other situation particularly if they were able to rupture the barrier with all the energy was contained in.
It is vague about if the Asari know how to build mass relays. However they way she talks it seems like she wanted more focus on science so the Asari would be able to one day build their own mass relays.
Yes, a supernova would lost some of his power, but we are talking about an object at what distance? At most 5 light years from the origin of the explosion? Because that's the distance between our sun and Pluto for example.
Imagine for a moment that our sun goes supernova (this is not possible of course, because the sun do not have the solar mass to go nova). But for the sake of the experiment, imagine that the sun did actually have the mass to go supernova. If we estimate the impact on Pluto and therefore on the Charon relay, we are talking about heat energy with at least the magnitude of temperature of the surface of the sun, which is almost 5800 k. Even if the heat didn't melted the relay material, there's also the sheer energy power per second a nova releases, which in a nova is calculated to be in the octillion order (1027)
For reference, the Supernova 1994D was calculated to be about 580 billion times brighter than our sun. This means translating to output power like a watt, the explosion radiated, every second, as much power as the sun has produced total over the past 18 millennia. Let's not forget that Mu Relay was dislocated out of position by the nova, so the distance between the relay and the star was probably not greater than a few light years.
In ME1 a mass relay can survive this, but in ME2 can't survive an impact of an asteroid? Even with the most powerfull mass generated rockets - I counted six on the asteroid - is highly unlikely we come even close to the knetic power of a supernova explosion.
That's my problem with the retcon.
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Post by garrusfan1 on Apr 20, 2019 19:37:12 GMT
Not really given that Relays are always positions at the extreme edge of a system. Even a super nova would lose significant power across that distance. And if the gravity anchor is messed with due to the explosion it could be taken out of the gravity well and sent to float free. Theoretically speaking you could hook a chain around a Mass Relay and use the Normandy or maybe up to the Destiny Ascension to pull it out of orbit. Slamming an asteroid the size of Texas is a whole other situation particularly if they were able to rupture the barrier with all the energy was contained in.
It is vague about if the Asari know how to build mass relays. However they way she talks it seems like she wanted more focus on science so the Asari would be able to one day build their own mass relays.
Yes, a supernova would lost some of his power, but we are talking about an object at what distance? At most 5 light years from the origin of the explosion? Because that's the distance between our sun and Pluto for example.
Imagine for a moment that our sun goes supernova (this is not possible of course, because the sun do not have the solar mass to go nova). But for the sake of the experiment, imagine that the sun did actually have the mass to go supernova. If we estimate the impact on Pluto and therefore on the Charon relay, we are talking about heat energy with at least the magnitude of temperature of the surface of the sun, which is almost 5800 k. Even if the heat didn't melted the relay material, there's also the sheer energy power per second a nova releases, which in a nova is calculated to be in the octillion order (1027)
For reference, the Supernova 1994D was calculated to be about 580 billion times brighter than our sun. This means translating to output power like a watt, the explosion radiated, every second, as much power as the sun has produced total over the past 18 millennia. Let's not forget that Mu Relay was dislocated out of position by the nova, so the distance between the relay and the star was probably not greater than a few light years.
In ME1 a mass relay can survive this, but in ME2 can't survive an impact of an asteroid? Even with the most powerfull mass generated rockets - I counted six on the asteroid - is highly unlikely we come even close to the knetic power of a supernova explosion.
That's my problem with the retcon.
Gonna take a shot at this even though I said I wouldn't.
Alright just before the asteroid hit you saw the relay try to "shoot" it like it does the ships. You see those little streaks of light start to touch it. Maybe it overloaded it to a degree that whatever protected the relay was temporarily messed up and the asteroid hit it when it was vulnerable.
As for the supernova I think if you want to try and justify it you could say that the supernova generated force and heat that the relay was made to ignore but having an asteroid that size hit it wasn't something it was protected from.
Think of it like this. It's the difference between getting hit in the head without a helmet with a baseball being thrown by an MLB pitcher and getting the shockwave from an explosion. The relay may have the ability to protect itself against the shockwave but not the baseball.
I am not saying this is what actually happened or why it worked but it might help you justify it.
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Post by brfritos on Apr 20, 2019 19:58:08 GMT
Gonna take a shot at this even though I said I wouldn't.
Alright just before the asteroid hit you saw the relay try to "shoot" it like it does the ships. You see those little streaks of light start to touch it. Maybe it overloaded it to a degree that whatever protected the relay was temporarily messed up and the asteroid hit it when it was vulnerable.
As for the supernova I think if you want to try and justify it you could say that the supernova generated force and heat that the relay was made to ignore but having an asteroid that size hit it wasn't something it was protected from.
Think of it like this. It's the difference between getting hit in the head without a helmet with a baseball being thrown by an MLB pitcher and getting the shockwave from an explosion. The relay may have the ability to protect itself against the shockwave but not the baseball.
I am not saying this is what actually happened or why it worked but it might help you justify it.
The sparks were probably caused by the asteroid creating friction when is about to hit the relay and the mass effect field around the eezo core reacting to it, It could be that. The same way sometimes a volcano eruption create storms with lightning.
My problem is not they retconned the lore, games do this all the time. Is the way they did it.
Heck, they even created a fake science in the game with a whole set of explanations regarding it. Why they didn't sticked with the rules they've created?
Simply say that before the asteroid hits the relay a pulse signal is sent that deactivate the relay or mess with his electronics or interfere with the mass effect core. Something like they did regarding the omni-tools in the later game being able to be used as melee weapons. It's within the lore and fake science they created. 
They even muffed the sound when you exit the facility, trying to create a "space experience".
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Post by garrusfan1 on Apr 20, 2019 20:12:17 GMT
Gonna take a shot at this even though I said I wouldn't.
Alright just before the asteroid hit you saw the relay try to "shoot" it like it does the ships. You see those little streaks of light start to touch it. Maybe it overloaded it to a degree that whatever protected the relay was temporarily messed up and the asteroid hit it when it was vulnerable.
As for the supernova I think if you want to try and justify it you could say that the supernova generated force and heat that the relay was made to ignore but having an asteroid that size hit it wasn't something it was protected from.
Think of it like this. It's the difference between getting hit in the head without a helmet with a baseball being thrown by an MLB pitcher and getting the shockwave from an explosion. The relay may have the ability to protect itself against the shockwave but not the baseball.
I am not saying this is what actually happened or why it worked but it might help you justify it.
The sparks were probably caused by the asteroid creating friction when is about to hit the relay and the mass effect field around the eezo core reacting to it, It could be that. The same way sometimes a volcano eruption create storms with lightning.
My problem is not they retconned the lore, games do this all the time. Is the way they did it.
Heck, they even created a fake science in the game with a whole set of explanations regarding it. Why they didn't sticked with the rules they've created?
Simply say that before the asteroid hits the relay a pulse signal is sent that deactivate the relay or mess with his electronics or interfere with the mass effect core. Something like they did regarding the omni-tools in the later game being able to be used as melee weapons. It's within the lore and fake science they created.
They even muffed the sound when you exit the facility, trying to create a "space experience".
Actually that thing where the "light beams" or whatever they are called when the asteroid is about to hit is the same thing that happens when it throws a ship across the galaxy. That thing that shoots out from the glowy orb thing in the relay does it to the ships as a "connection" I guess but when it does it to the asteroid it is too big to do it with. That is what I was talking about.
This doesn't mean my justification of it was right I was just explaining what I meant
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Post by themikefest on Apr 20, 2019 21:24:41 GMT
I would say the relay activated defenses for when an object got too close to it. It fires out lightning bolts to try and destroy the object before it can cause any damage to the relay.
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Post by garrusfan1 on Apr 20, 2019 22:47:13 GMT
I would say the relay activated defenses for when an object got too close to it. It fires out lightning bolts to try and destroy the object before it can cause any damage to the relay. But it looks the same as when it grabs a ship and sends it through the relay.
Also been meaning to say you have an awesome profile pic
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Post by themikefest on Apr 20, 2019 22:55:45 GMT
But it looks the same as when it grabs a ship and sends it through the relay. It does look the same, but only one bolt is seen when the SR2 uses the relay while 3 bolts are fired at the asteroid.
Thanks. It's Alix Wilton Regan(AWR)
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Post by gothpunkboy89 on Apr 21, 2019 0:40:00 GMT
Not really given that Relays are always positions at the extreme edge of a system. Even a super nova would lose significant power across that distance. And if the gravity anchor is messed with due to the explosion it could be taken out of the gravity well and sent to float free. Theoretically speaking you could hook a chain around a Mass Relay and use the Normandy or maybe up to the Destiny Ascension to pull it out of orbit. Slamming an asteroid the size of Texas is a whole other situation particularly if they were able to rupture the barrier with all the energy was contained in.
It is vague about if the Asari know how to build mass relays. However they way she talks it seems like she wanted more focus on science so the Asari would be able to one day build their own mass relays.
Yes, a supernova would lost some of his power, but we are talking about an object at what distance? At most 5 light years from the origin of the explosion? Because that's the distance between our sun and Pluto for example.
Imagine for a moment that our sun goes supernova (this is not possible of course, because the sun do not have the solar mass to go nova). But for the sake of the experiment, imagine that the sun did actually have the mass to go supernova. If we estimate the impact on Pluto and therefore on the Charon relay, we are talking about heat energy with at least the magnitude of temperature of the surface of the sun, which is almost 5800 k. Even if the heat didn't melted the relay material, there's also the sheer energy power per second a nova releases, which in a nova is calculated to be in the octillion order (1027)
For reference, the Supernova 1994D was calculated to be about 580 billion times brighter than our sun. This means translating to output power like a watt, the explosion radiated, every second, as much power as the sun has produced total over the past 18 millennia. Let's not forget that Mu Relay was dislocated out of position by the nova, so the distance between the relay and the star was probably not greater than a few light years.
In ME1 a mass relay can survive this, but in ME2 can't survive an impact of an asteroid? Even with the most powerfull mass generated rockets - I counted six on the asteroid - is highly unlikely we come even close to the knetic power of a supernova explosion.
That's my problem with the retcon.
Yes and at that distance the force and energy of said super nova is reduced as the energy is released in a 360 degree sphere before spreading out into the solar winds. The amount of power released at the center of the explosion and the energy being felt 5 light years from it are two different things entirely. For instance in space minus radition you could survive a nuclear bomb detonation at much closer range then you could on earth were the air pressure shock wave would kill you even if the initial explosion didn't. There is also the fact the explosion wouldn't cover that distance at the speed of light. Even a super nova would take years to reach the outer edge of a star system and in that time it would cool down. No matter how big a star is no explosion could reach light speed.
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Post by brfritos on Apr 21, 2019 0:56:15 GMT
Actually that thing where the "light beams" or whatever they are called when the asteroid is about to hit is the same thing that happens when it throws a ship across the galaxy. That thing that shoots out from the glowy orb thing in the relay does it to the ships as a "connection" I guess but when it does it to the asteroid it is too big to do it with. That is what I was talking about.
This doesn't mean my justification of it was right I was just explaining what I meant
My bad then, I misunderstood you, sorry for that.
Actually it's interesting. Now that you are talking, maybe the relay though the asteroid was a ship and tried to "transmit" it?
Also, which is the maximum size of the object a mass relay can transmit? The game never tells us that.
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Post by brfritos on Apr 21, 2019 1:32:07 GMT
Yes, a supernova would lost some of his power, but we are talking about an object at what distance? At most 5 light years from the origin of the explosion? Because that's the distance between our sun and Pluto for example.
Imagine for a moment that our sun goes supernova (this is not possible of course, because the sun do not have the solar mass to go nova). But for the sake of the experiment, imagine that the sun did actually have the mass to go supernova. If we estimate the impact on Pluto and therefore on the Charon relay, we are talking about heat energy with at least the magnitude of temperature of the surface of the sun, which is almost 5800 k. Even if the heat didn't melted the relay material, there's also the sheer energy power per second a nova releases, which in a nova is calculated to be in the octillion order (1027)
For reference, the Supernova 1994D was calculated to be about 580 billion times brighter than our sun. This means translating to output power like a watt, the explosion radiated, every second, as much power as the sun has produced total over the past 18 millennia. Let's not forget that Mu Relay was dislocated out of position by the nova, so the distance between the relay and the star was probably not greater than a few light years.
In ME1 a mass relay can survive this, but in ME2 can't survive an impact of an asteroid? Even with the most powerfull mass generated rockets - I counted six on the asteroid - is highly unlikely we come even close to the knetic power of a supernova explosion.
That's my problem with the retcon.
Yes and at that distance the force and energy of said super nova is reduced as the energy is released in a 360 degree sphere before spreading out into the solar winds. The amount of power released at the center of the explosion and the energy being felt 5 light years from it are two different things entirely. For instance in space minus radition you could survive a nuclear bomb detonation at much closer range then you could on earth were the air pressure shock wave would kill you even if the initial explosion didn't. There is also the fact the explosion wouldn't cover that distance at the speed of light. Even a super nova would take years to reach the outer edge of a star system and in that time it would cool down. No matter how big a star is no explosion could reach light speed.
Yes, the wave will cool down: instead hiting the relay or Pluto with a heat temperature like the core of the sun, which is 15 million celsius, it will hit them with "only" 5500 celsius, the temperature of sun's surface.
This kind of temperature would liquify the crust of our planet for example.
Ok, we don't have enough data and can only speculate about speed, distance between the star going supernova and the relay, but common man. Supernovas are one of the building blocks of the universe, ejecting matter from the system they are into interstellar medium, creating new stars as the shock wave progress and enriching those systems with new atomic elements heavier than nitrogen and playing a role in the creation of gravitational waves.
There's even a theory that a near-Earth superova was responsible for one of the 5 major mass extinctions our planet suffered since life appeared on it.
Are you implying that relays are more durable than planets? Even then a relay can survive a supernova but not an asteroid? Something doesn't add up.
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Post by burningcherry on Apr 21, 2019 14:29:11 GMT
Also, which is the maximum size of the object a mass relay can transmit? The game never tells us that.
An implied limit is five hundred kilometers in diameter ( Revelation, Ch. 1).
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Post by gothpunkboy89 on Apr 21, 2019 21:43:13 GMT
Yes and at that distance the force and energy of said super nova is reduced as the energy is released in a 360 degree sphere before spreading out into the solar winds. The amount of power released at the center of the explosion and the energy being felt 5 light years from it are two different things entirely. For instance in space minus radition you could survive a nuclear bomb detonation at much closer range then you could on earth were the air pressure shock wave would kill you even if the initial explosion didn't. There is also the fact the explosion wouldn't cover that distance at the speed of light. Even a super nova would take years to reach the outer edge of a star system and in that time it would cool down. No matter how big a star is no explosion could reach light speed.
Yes, the wave will cool down: instead hiting the relay or Pluto with a heat temperature like the core of the sun, which is 15 million celsius, it will hit them with "only" 5500 celsius, the temperature of sun's surface.
This kind of temperature would liquify the crust of our planet for example.
Ok, we don't have enough data and can only speculate about speed, distance between the star going supernova and the relay, but common man. Supernovas are one of the building blocks of the universe, ejecting matter from the system they are into interstellar medium, creating new stars as the shock wave progress and enriching those systems with new atomic elements heavier than nitrogen and playing a role in the creation of gravitational waves.
There's even a theory that a near-Earth superova was responsible for one of the 5 major mass extinctions our planet suffered since life appeared on it.
Are you implying that relays are more durable than planets? Even then a relay can survive a supernova but not an asteroid? Something doesn't add up.
And how do you know it would be at 5500 Celsius?
True we don't have enough data to tell explosion rates but the closest estimation scientists can get to super nova speeds is 28,000 mph give or take. Distance from the Sun to Pluto is roughly 3.76 billion miles. It would take 134285 hours to travel that distance. Or roughly 15 years to travel that distance. The outer parts of the explosion would cool far more then the inner parts and the impact would be spread across the entire relay.
this is different then someone thing the size and mass of an asteroid that is larger then the Relay it self impacting it at speed.
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Post by sassafrassa on Apr 21, 2019 22:39:38 GMT
I think there was lenghty discussions about opening the relay or not after it was discovered. You can have a lengthy discussion about whether or not to jump off the Golden Gate Bridge but that doesn't make the decision to jump any less reckless. Maybe you survive, and even without equipment you can even do a few things to increase your chances, but it is still unwise. A better example is a mine field. If I told you that 99 of the 100 mines in the field had been removed, would you still walk across it for the chance at million dollars? How about half that or only a tenth? What if that mine was so powerful that it would kill not only you, but your loved ones too? It was for example the same risks and challenges earlier astronauts, cosmonauts and space engineers faced in the beginning of the space race. Your comparison is not remotely valid. The astronauts took personal risks and the government took some financial risks. At no point did the space race endanger the survival of the USA or USSR or the human race. As for the effects of vacuum exposure, it depends on the specific circumstances of the event.
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Post by melbella on Apr 21, 2019 22:46:44 GMT
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Post by garrusfan1 on Apr 21, 2019 23:01:09 GMT
But it looks the same as when it grabs a ship and sends it through the relay. It does look the same, but only one bolt is seen when the SR2 uses the relay while 3 bolts are fired at the asteroid.
Thanks. It's Alix Wilton Regan(AWR) Really? I thought that was the woman who played rouge in the xmen and sookie stackhouse in true blood
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Post by garrusfan1 on Apr 21, 2019 23:03:17 GMT
I think there was lenghty discussions about opening the relay or not after it was discovered. You can have a lengthy discussion about whether or not to jump off the Golden Gate Bridge but that doesn't make the decision to jump any less reckless. Maybe you survive, and even without equipment you can even do a few things to increase your chances, but it is still unwise. A better example is a mine field. If I told you that 99 of the 100 mines in the field had been removed, would you still walk across it for the chance at million dollars? How about half that or only a tenth? What if that mine was so powerful that it would kill not only you, but your loved ones too? It was for example the same risks and challenges earlier astronauts, cosmonauts and space engineers faced in the beginning of the space race. Your comparison is not remotely valid. The astronauts took personal risks and the government took some financial risks. At no point did the space race endanger the survival of the USA or USSR or the human race. As for the effects of vacuum exposure, it depends on the specific circumstances of the event. Well considering the earth was overpopulated and such I think they had no real choice in the long run. I mean they have eleven billion people on earth during the ME games if I remember right. The sheer amount of resources that would take to sustain would be astronomical. They would have no choice but to leave. Considering in real life the world will probably be almost dead by that time the choices would be death or take the chance..not a real choice.
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Post by brfritos on Apr 22, 2019 5:24:05 GMT
And how do you know it would be at 5500 Celsius?
True we don't have enough data to tell explosion rates but the closest estimation scientists can get to super nova speeds is 28,000 mph give or take. Distance from the Sun to Pluto is roughly 3.76 billion miles. It would take 134285 hours to travel that distance. Or roughly 15 years to travel that distance. The outer parts of the explosion would cool far more then the inner parts and the impact would be spread across the entire relay.
this is different then someone thing the size and mass of an asteroid that is larger then the Relay it self impacting it at speed.
Math perhaps? Our sun generates 3.8 x 1026 watts of power. A supernova generate, at least, 200 billion times more than this and more important, in a single second.
Do not try this at home, but did you ever tried to pick a 75W incandescent light bulb that had being on for 10 minutes with your bare hands? No? I do not recommend, it will cause serious burns on your hands if you try.
The temperature can reach 350F (almost 177 celsius).
Now try to imagine a supernova doing this? We are talking about inconceivable ammounts of energy, in the octillion or decillion order. Do you know how much an octillion is? Is this: 1000000000000000000000000000000.
I don't know why you continue to defend an error in the game.
Nobody here dislikes ME3 and wishes it had never existed. Maybe we disagree on some things, but I think the majority of people still like the game or at least like the game but wishes some things to be different. And the purpose of constructive criticism is to improve things.
Also, I'm not making up data: if our sun goes supernova, our entirelly galaxy would be destroyed and replaced by another one. It's a fact, not a speculation.
So no, it doesn't make sense a relay surviving a supernova, but being destroyed by an asteroid.
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