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Post by rpgmaster on Apr 20, 2017 23:09:20 GMT
After SAM revives you to save you have a conversation with Lexi where she calls out SAM's motives and powers.
And all Ryder can say is either "I trust SAM" or "SAM has been programmed to help me" (or something like that).
WHAT A LOAD OF CRAP!
You have an A.I. in your head (we're living in the universe of the geth here) and you can't even give a REMOTELY suspicious response after it does something very dangerous to you? You can't even agree with Lexi?
Nope we have to swallow what BioWare is feeding us and choose one of two positive responses than stand up for SAM!
Someone at BioWare had a hard-on for SAM. Explains why it won't STFU during gameplay.
Personally I'd be like "Remove this thing from my head Lexi or I'll rip it out myself!"
Where's that option?
#RemoveSAM
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Post by colfoley on Apr 20, 2017 23:12:15 GMT
Congratulations. You've found the only example of poor role playing in the entire game.
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Post by kino on Apr 20, 2017 23:15:54 GMT
You're not a Pathfinder without a SAM. That point is made clear several times in the story. Basically, your idea of "roleplaying" is not to play the role.
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Post by FeralEwok on Apr 20, 2017 23:16:53 GMT
Oh you really got em good this time.
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Post by colfoley on Apr 20, 2017 23:18:08 GMT
You're not a Pathfinder without a SAM. That point is made clear several times in the story. Basically, you're "roleplaying" is not to play the role. granted the OP took it a bit far but i think Ryder should have been able to express discomfort over SAM. To the point the two could have had an antagonistic relationship.
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Post by dm04 on Apr 20, 2017 23:23:46 GMT
A little bit angry here? ^^ If not for SAM, Ryder could do absoluetly nothing to solve anything in Andromeda, that says it all... prime example of poor writing. Everythig evoles around SAM, everything is done by SAM, this all mighty, all powerful, all knowing Deus Ex Machina. And BW even tries to sell it to us "The Andromeda Initiative is doomed without SAM, thats why every Ark got one". ME was about Shepard, tapping in the dark all the time, making decisions based on vague information and data, with insights from the crew (squadmates with you)... but this, it is all about SAM. I think, without SAM, when everything would need your squad and the Nexus and Outposts and the Angara to solve, the story would be fine.
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Post by vonuber on Apr 20, 2017 23:25:58 GMT
After Miranda revives you to save you have a conversation with her and jacob where she calls out cerberus' motives and powers.
And all Shep can say is "sure I'll join you!".
WHAT A LOAD OF CRAP!
You have to join a known terrorist organisation (we're living in the universe of being a council SPECTRE here) and you can't even choose to go back? Nope we have to swallow what BioWare is feeding us and choose to work for TIM despite shep possibly having had his unit wiped out by them, and knowing they've been murdering alliance admirals.
Someone at BioWare had a hard-on for Cerberus. Explains why it won't stop showing Miranda's arse all the time. Personally I'd be like "Screw you I'm taking this ship back to the citadel and the fifth fleet is coming for your massive arse"."
Where's that option?
#airlockjacobandmiranda
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Post by dm04 on Apr 20, 2017 23:28:07 GMT
You're not a Pathfinder without a SAM. That point is made clear several times in the story. Basically, your idea of "roleplaying" is not to play the role. Ayup, asked yourself why SAM is actualy there? Well, it is an easy solution to all problems that can cross your way.
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Post by laudable11 on Apr 20, 2017 23:31:23 GMT
It's not a role playing game.
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Post by rpgmaster on Apr 20, 2017 23:32:14 GMT
Congratulations. You've found the only example of poor role playing in the entire game. It's not the only example, it's just a particularly egregious one consider your character, their situation and the lore!
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Post by vonuber on Apr 20, 2017 23:33:24 GMT
It's not the only example, it's just a particularly egregious one consider your character, their situation and the lore! I agree. The way you could shut down EDI permanently (to be lore consistent) was a brilliant touch.
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Post by Mihura on Apr 20, 2017 23:33:36 GMT
After SAM revives you to save you have a conversation with Lexi where she calls out SAM's motives and powers. And all Ryder can say is either "I trust SAM" or "SAM has been programmed to help me" (or something like that). WHAT A LOAD OF CRAP! You have an A.I. in your head (we're living in the universe of the geth here) and you can't even give a REMOTELY suspicious response after it does something very dangerous to you? You can't even agree with Lexi? Nope we have to swallow what BioWare is feeding us and choose one of two positive responses than stand up for SAM! Someone at BioWare had a hard-on for SAM. Explains why it won't STFU during gameplay. Personally I'd be like "Remove this thing from my head Lexi or I'll rip it out myself!" Where's that option? #RemoveSAM That makes no sense, especially if you are RPing a Ryder. Sam is the work of your parents and the reason their name got trashed, if anything you would want to preserve it. Now if you mean, like "I cannot RP a character that I want and tailor for my needs"? sure that is true but there is no video game like that. Unless of course you are playing a tabletop or inside your head.
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Post by rpgmaster on Apr 20, 2017 23:33:46 GMT
You're not a Pathfinder without a SAM. That point is made clear several times in the story. Basically, your idea of "roleplaying" is not to play the role. I fail to see what SAM does that I can't do myself in regards to my Pathfinding duties. He's a glorified PA (one that doesn't shut up).
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Post by rpgmaster on Apr 20, 2017 23:36:40 GMT
A little bit angry here? ^^ If not for SAM, Ryder could do absoluetly nothing to solve anything in Andromeda, that says it all... prime example of poor writing. Everythig evoles around SAM, everything is done by SAM, this all mighty, all powerful, all knowing Deus Ex Machina. And BW even tries to sell it to us "The Andromeda Initiative is doomed without SAM, thats why every Ark got one". ME was about Shepard, tapping in the dark all the time, making decisions based on vague information and data, with insights from the crew (squadmates with you)... but this, it is all about SAM. I think, without SAM, when everything would need your squad and the Nexus and Outposts and the Angara to solve, the story would be fine. This is just BioWare writing in a hand-holding device. Could we really not scan rocks by ourselves? Communicate to the ship to bring in forward points and settlement sites? Read the bloody temperature gauge on our own suit?! SAM, the game and the writers/developers treat the player like a baby.
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Post by cobalt72 on Apr 20, 2017 23:37:03 GMT
I think there are quite a few examples of SAM doing the work. Breaking in to free the Moshae for example
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Post by rasande on Apr 20, 2017 23:39:12 GMT
What!? A somewhat limited range of choices in a cinematic RPG with VO and a character with a predefined identity!? Not to mention choosing to get rid of SAM would derail the entire plot, but you know, details.
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Post by KaiserShep on Apr 20, 2017 23:40:09 GMT
A more reasonable response would be something along the lines of "I don't like this either but what choice do I have?". Saying something like "Rip it out" or something like that just sounds silly, just like when you choose the option to have Shepard demand that EDI be removed from the Normandy when you first come aboard. Shep's objection was noted, then just as quickly forgotten. Besides, Lexi already told Ryder that removing SAM would probably be lethal.
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Post by rpgmaster on Apr 20, 2017 23:40:25 GMT
After SAM revives you to save you have a conversation with Lexi where she calls out SAM's motives and powers. And all Ryder can say is either "I trust SAM" or "SAM has been programmed to help me" (or something like that). WHAT A LOAD OF CRAP! You have an A.I. in your head (we're living in the universe of the geth here) and you can't even give a REMOTELY suspicious response after it does something very dangerous to you? You can't even agree with Lexi? Nope we have to swallow what BioWare is feeding us and choose one of two positive responses than stand up for SAM! Someone at BioWare had a hard-on for SAM. Explains why it won't STFU during gameplay. Personally I'd be like "Remove this thing from my head Lexi or I'll rip it out myself!" Where's that option? #RemoveSAM That makes no sense, especially if you are RPing a Ryder. Sam is the work of your parents and the reason their name got trashed, if anything you would want to preserve it. Now if you mean, like "I cannot RP a character that I want and tailor for my needs"? sure that is true but there is no video game like that. Unless of course you are playing a tabletop or inside your head. What? What if your parents were Nazis working on the final solution? Do you want to preserve that? Just because your parents believe in something doesn't mean you have to pick up their torch or not consider it wrong! Especially in regards to something as controversial as A.I. in the ME universe.
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Post by Reorte on Apr 20, 2017 23:43:00 GMT
Having such an implant stuck in my head is the last thing I'd ever do but if Ryder felt the same way (s)he wouldn't have been in that position in the first place, so an acceptable limitation on choice IMO. I assume that Ryder was happy with the idea back in the Milky Way. The whole point of SAM and Ryder just being its arms and eyes is a problem IMO but a separate issue.
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Post by KaiserShep on Apr 20, 2017 23:44:00 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2017 23:44:00 GMT
You're not a Pathfinder without a SAM. That point is made clear several times in the story. Basically, you're "roleplaying" is not to play the role. granted the OP took it a bit far but i think Ryder should have been able to express discomfort over SAM. To the point the two could have had an antagonistic relationship. SAM: "You are now my meatpuppet, Scott. Resistance is futile."
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Post by friffy on Apr 20, 2017 23:47:19 GMT
That makes no sense, especially if you are RPing a Ryder. Sam is the work of your parents and the reason their name got trashed, if anything you would want to preserve it. Now if you mean, like "I cannot RP a character that I want and tailor for my needs"? sure that is true but there is no video game like that. Unless of course you are playing a tabletop or inside your head. What? What if your parents were Nazis working on the final solution? Do you want to preserve that? Just because your parents believe in something doesn't mean you have to pick up their torch or not consider it wrong! Especially in regards to something as controversial as A.I. in the ME universe. As controversal a Edi for example? So instead of destroing her in ME1 we ended with a body for her. She joined us in our missions. Nobody was at least a bit worried about seeing her sitting at the Citadel. Very controversal...
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Post by KaiserShep on Apr 20, 2017 23:49:56 GMT
After Miranda revives you to save you have a conversation with her and jacob where she calls out cerberus' motives and powers. And all Shep can say is "sure I'll join you!". WHAT A LOAD OF CRAP! You have to join a known terrorist organisation (we're living in the universe of being a council SPECTRE here) and you can't even choose to go back? Nope we have to swallow what BioWare is feeding us and choose to work for TIM despite shep possibly having had his unit wiped out by them, and knowing they've been murdering alliance admirals. Someone at BioWare had a hard-on for Cerberus. Explains why it won't stop showing Miranda's arse all the time. Personally I'd be like "Screw you I'm taking this ship back to the citadel and the fifth fleet is coming for your massive arse"." Where's that option? #airlockjacobandmiranda The sole survivor background potentially makes it a lot worse. I'd go all Toombs on their asses. I'd shoot Jacob in the face then shoot Miranda in the face then take a shuttle out of that station. They would've regretted not having that control chip installed.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2017 0:00:21 GMT
Unless/until they change the combat mechanics again - every PC from here on out will have a SAM or equivalent.
SAM is also their justification for Ryder's ability to swap combat powers and profiles on the fly.
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